Does Super Sentai put you off Power Rangers
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Digifiend
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Not really. A lot of seasons have different themes
Zyu = dinosaur tribes, MMPR1 = teenagers with dinosaur powers
Dai = chinese martial arts, MMPR2 = same as last year, but now with Chinese mythology based mecha
Kaku = purely ninjas, MMPR3/MMAR = initially same as last year with animal mecha and ninja techniques, then water aliens
Oh = military, Zeo = still high schoolers.
Car = car magic vs pollution, Turbo = car tech vs a pirate
Mega = video games, Space = outer space
Ginga = nature, Lost Galaxy = space again
GoGoV and Lightspeed = both rescue
Timeranger and Time Force = both time travel
Gao and Wild Force = both animals
Hurricanger and Ninja Storm = both ninjas
Aba = people with dino guts, including a man from a parallel universe and an evil ranger, Dino Thunder = teenagers including an MMPR ranger and the son of the big bad fighting with them, not against them
Deka = present day detectives, SPD = futuristic intergalactic police
Magi and Mystic Force = both magic
Bouken = treasure hunters, Overdrive = much tighter focus on one particular treasure, the corona aurora. Didn't use Bouken's Precious concept.
Geki and Jungle Fury = both martial arts
Go-on = talking cars and multiple universes, RPM = post-apocalypse
Zyu = dinosaur tribes, MMPR1 = teenagers with dinosaur powers
Dai = chinese martial arts, MMPR2 = same as last year, but now with Chinese mythology based mecha
Kaku = purely ninjas, MMPR3/MMAR = initially same as last year with animal mecha and ninja techniques, then water aliens
Oh = military, Zeo = still high schoolers.
Car = car magic vs pollution, Turbo = car tech vs a pirate
Mega = video games, Space = outer space
Ginga = nature, Lost Galaxy = space again
GoGoV and Lightspeed = both rescue
Timeranger and Time Force = both time travel
Gao and Wild Force = both animals
Hurricanger and Ninja Storm = both ninjas
Aba = people with dino guts, including a man from a parallel universe and an evil ranger, Dino Thunder = teenagers including an MMPR ranger and the son of the big bad fighting with them, not against them
Deka = present day detectives, SPD = futuristic intergalactic police
Magi and Mystic Force = both magic
Bouken = treasure hunters, Overdrive = much tighter focus on one particular treasure, the corona aurora. Didn't use Bouken's Precious concept.
Geki and Jungle Fury = both martial arts
Go-on = talking cars and multiple universes, RPM = post-apocalypse
ShukuenShinobi
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Basically this.
Sure, there are times where I was watching Geki and go "This was handled a lot better than Jungle Fury did." The same thing is happening when I'm watching Boukenger right now, and when I watched Magi before.
The thing is, I while it won't always match or top the Sentai for "acting, writing, and super cool awesome" I love and respect Power Rangers for what it is: a campy, fun way to bring the concept of Sentai to the western child demographic. It's not always gonna be a smash hit, but I can enjoy it for what it's worth, and watching the Sentai counterparts as of late hasn't depreciated my love for the PR series at all.
SamuraiEchidna
Active Member
Wow. Where was I three pages ago? :laugh:
I have a natural bias towards adaptions. I prefer the source material. Though every time I get into a discussion like this, I think of one of my cousins who never had a proper school education and had to get a GED. I tried talking to him about Disney's versions of classic fairy tales and iconic history pieces, and he said "Oh! So Disney's is the better version!" Looking back on it now, that just cracks me up, because we all know that couldn't be further from the truth. In fact, many Power Ranger fans have said it themselves that not every adaption is better than the source material, even though some are.
But going back to my natural bias... I'll always defend the source material throughout. That doesn't mean adaptions can't evolve into something greater. The makers of MMPR contacted and asked Toei for more Zyuranger footage, footage never used in the Japanese series, so that's one step into how Power Rangers started standing on its own. It's like how the makers of Voltron called up Toei and asked for GoLion footage, evolving Voltron into a different show entirely. Still, and this is just me personally speaking, I just can't bring myself to enjoy an adaption if the makers of the adaption deny and try to hide the existence of the source material (Dino Thunder's Lost & Found In Translation, anyone?). I can only enjoy something if I have the luxury of seeing both versions legally in the same country. I've bought all box sets of GoLion and I liked that anime very much, now maybe I'll be able to pick up Voltron boxsets and relive my childhood, and finally see the series finale from beginning to end.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not new to this. I watched MMPR as a kid just like many others here. I grew up with it, I loved it, and I nearly killed my mother's finances trying to get literally all the toys (never did succeed though). I watched from MMPR and stoped after In Space, because the death of Zordon and the constant cast changes for each season was too much for me. Becoming new to the internet, someone tipped me off about Super Sentai. Well, I slummed around a bit for a few years before I finally discovered it thanks to the early days of TV-Nihon. I found Super Sentai to be better. Maybe I'm just experiencing culture shock, but I loved how Japanese television isn't afraid to show blood, violence, and death. I'm glad Japan isn't going to throw pixie dust in our faces and pretend real-life problems don't exist. Even the music is better. For years, they have been making soundtracks and vocal albums as companions to the TV shows. The lyrics are practically poetic compared to what I've heard from America (though anything is a step up from constantly repeating the name of the show), and the music itself is more fitting to. Does the Jungle Fury theme really get you in the mood for martial arts like the GekiRanger theme does? Does the Mystic Force theme really make you think of magic more than the MagiRanger theme does?
Still, I don't want to let my bias get in the way of being fair, since that offends people. I have said that maybe I am just experience culture, and maybe that's all there is to it for a lot of us. Kids in Japan go through the same thing. They watch Super Sentai for a while, then they have to give it up or deny watching it so that other kids their age won't laugh at them. In that sense, Sentai is on the same footing as Power Rangers. And maybe in the grant scheme of things, it really doesn't matter. Not to mention some have said that the acting in Super Sentai isn't always as great as we think it is. The characters that just constantly yell their lines are very annoying, I'll give you that. But I think I would rather watch that then watch actors who don't act like they're at all interested in their role. However, maybe some of the cultural shock would diminish and our glorifying of the Super Sentai would come to an end if it was dubbed. Maybe the dub, even if it was uncut, would reveal just how not-perfect the show is (and having bad voice overs wouldn't help either).
Still, if I had to make a choice, I would choose Super Sentai. Even if it came down to having to pay for the Japanese DVDs until it hurts. I fit in with the people who become the general consensus that have gotten to compare and believe the Japanese show is better. I try to explain why it is better, I even try to defend the source material whenever I can, but in the end, personal preference will always be personal preference. Those that love Power Rangers will always love it, and it's wrong to try and persuade them to do otherwise. As for the original question, does Super Sentai turn me off to Power Rangers? I suppose it does. I try to be nice about it, I'll watch the premiere episodes of new Power Rangers shows, but I just end up liking Super Sentai more, and I would probably end up giving Power Rangers a bigger chance, maybe even learning to like it, if Super Sentai was also legally distributed in the states. But we all know that's not going to happen... I'd also learn to love Power Rangers even more if the show stopped borrowing suits, props, footage, designs, and anything else from other sources and actually became its own show completely. But again, unlikely. :sweat:
Wow. Sorry for that wall of text there. :laugh:
I have a natural bias towards adaptions. I prefer the source material. Though every time I get into a discussion like this, I think of one of my cousins who never had a proper school education and had to get a GED. I tried talking to him about Disney's versions of classic fairy tales and iconic history pieces, and he said "Oh! So Disney's is the better version!" Looking back on it now, that just cracks me up, because we all know that couldn't be further from the truth. In fact, many Power Ranger fans have said it themselves that not every adaption is better than the source material, even though some are.
But going back to my natural bias... I'll always defend the source material throughout. That doesn't mean adaptions can't evolve into something greater. The makers of MMPR contacted and asked Toei for more Zyuranger footage, footage never used in the Japanese series, so that's one step into how Power Rangers started standing on its own. It's like how the makers of Voltron called up Toei and asked for GoLion footage, evolving Voltron into a different show entirely. Still, and this is just me personally speaking, I just can't bring myself to enjoy an adaption if the makers of the adaption deny and try to hide the existence of the source material (Dino Thunder's Lost & Found In Translation, anyone?). I can only enjoy something if I have the luxury of seeing both versions legally in the same country. I've bought all box sets of GoLion and I liked that anime very much, now maybe I'll be able to pick up Voltron boxsets and relive my childhood, and finally see the series finale from beginning to end.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not new to this. I watched MMPR as a kid just like many others here. I grew up with it, I loved it, and I nearly killed my mother's finances trying to get literally all the toys (never did succeed though). I watched from MMPR and stoped after In Space, because the death of Zordon and the constant cast changes for each season was too much for me. Becoming new to the internet, someone tipped me off about Super Sentai. Well, I slummed around a bit for a few years before I finally discovered it thanks to the early days of TV-Nihon. I found Super Sentai to be better. Maybe I'm just experiencing culture shock, but I loved how Japanese television isn't afraid to show blood, violence, and death. I'm glad Japan isn't going to throw pixie dust in our faces and pretend real-life problems don't exist. Even the music is better. For years, they have been making soundtracks and vocal albums as companions to the TV shows. The lyrics are practically poetic compared to what I've heard from America (though anything is a step up from constantly repeating the name of the show), and the music itself is more fitting to. Does the Jungle Fury theme really get you in the mood for martial arts like the GekiRanger theme does? Does the Mystic Force theme really make you think of magic more than the MagiRanger theme does?
Still, I don't want to let my bias get in the way of being fair, since that offends people. I have said that maybe I am just experience culture, and maybe that's all there is to it for a lot of us. Kids in Japan go through the same thing. They watch Super Sentai for a while, then they have to give it up or deny watching it so that other kids their age won't laugh at them. In that sense, Sentai is on the same footing as Power Rangers. And maybe in the grant scheme of things, it really doesn't matter. Not to mention some have said that the acting in Super Sentai isn't always as great as we think it is. The characters that just constantly yell their lines are very annoying, I'll give you that. But I think I would rather watch that then watch actors who don't act like they're at all interested in their role. However, maybe some of the cultural shock would diminish and our glorifying of the Super Sentai would come to an end if it was dubbed. Maybe the dub, even if it was uncut, would reveal just how not-perfect the show is (and having bad voice overs wouldn't help either).
Still, if I had to make a choice, I would choose Super Sentai. Even if it came down to having to pay for the Japanese DVDs until it hurts. I fit in with the people who become the general consensus that have gotten to compare and believe the Japanese show is better. I try to explain why it is better, I even try to defend the source material whenever I can, but in the end, personal preference will always be personal preference. Those that love Power Rangers will always love it, and it's wrong to try and persuade them to do otherwise. As for the original question, does Super Sentai turn me off to Power Rangers? I suppose it does. I try to be nice about it, I'll watch the premiere episodes of new Power Rangers shows, but I just end up liking Super Sentai more, and I would probably end up giving Power Rangers a bigger chance, maybe even learning to like it, if Super Sentai was also legally distributed in the states. But we all know that's not going to happen... I'd also learn to love Power Rangers even more if the show stopped borrowing suits, props, footage, designs, and anything else from other sources and actually became its own show completely. But again, unlikely. :sweat:
Wow. Sorry for that wall of text there. :laugh:
Black Ranger RX
I don't have low self esteem.
Believe it or not they were before, but in Hawaii. They had I think GoRanger to Battle Fever J.
And the rest of the US had Dynaman as a parody.
icebolt
Member
It depends on how much I loved the original version because unfortunately, how I view the PR version is inadvertently influenced by how much I enjoyed the Sentai version, as much as I try to go in each season bias-free. In no way does it put me off from watching the whole season though; I like to complete a season, I just might take my own sweet time about it though instead of anxiously waiting for each new episode.
145zzz
Lurker
I used to be a big PR fan. Everything was good until Mystic Force :sparta!:
From there, everything went down hill for me. SPD was pushing it, but Mystic Force was something else. I literally puked after watching the first 15 minutes of the episode. The acting was terrible, the writing was cheesy, and everything else seemed so messed up. Sure, Bulk and Skull from MMPR were ridiculous and goofy, Alpha (insert number) pissed me off, and the bad guys were annoying. But for some reason, they never made me hate their respective series. Mystic Force and the others after had some typical PR goofy/clumsy/energetic/retarded "allies". For some reason, they made me hate their series a lot more. Probably due to the super cheesy dialogue and poor acting. Everything prior to Mystic Force also had the typical PR goofy/clumsy/energetic/retarded "allies", but their dialogue was bearable and acting was not as bad (though still pretty bad). Also, I feel that PR had become so childish and lame. From Space to Time Force, those were, IMHO, were the BEST PR series ever. Even after watching their Sentai counter parts, I still loved those series. However, I could not bare to watch Mystic Force to RPM. My esophagus and stomach couldn't bare it. Sooo, basically, i think that Sentai has nothing to do with, i think that it's more about the writing and acting.
From there, everything went down hill for me. SPD was pushing it, but Mystic Force was something else. I literally puked after watching the first 15 minutes of the episode. The acting was terrible, the writing was cheesy, and everything else seemed so messed up. Sure, Bulk and Skull from MMPR were ridiculous and goofy, Alpha (insert number) pissed me off, and the bad guys were annoying. But for some reason, they never made me hate their respective series. Mystic Force and the others after had some typical PR goofy/clumsy/energetic/retarded "allies". For some reason, they made me hate their series a lot more. Probably due to the super cheesy dialogue and poor acting. Everything prior to Mystic Force also had the typical PR goofy/clumsy/energetic/retarded "allies", but their dialogue was bearable and acting was not as bad (though still pretty bad). Also, I feel that PR had become so childish and lame. From Space to Time Force, those were, IMHO, were the BEST PR series ever. Even after watching their Sentai counter parts, I still loved those series. However, I could not bare to watch Mystic Force to RPM. My esophagus and stomach couldn't bare it. Sooo, basically, i think that Sentai has nothing to do with, i think that it's more about the writing and acting.
SamuraiEchidna
Active Member
I am aware of that. Makes me wish I had lived in Hawaii... XD
But I'll still wait for an uncut release in the states before I do something drastic. Yes, I know it's a futile gesture, but I'm a patient man.
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