Death of Spider-man
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Blue Saint
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Wow, are they that desperate to make people care about the Ultimate Universe again? This is their own fault. Ultimatum was poorly planned and executed, then in the aftermath the entire line was down to basically one title and what are basically miniseries due to how often they actually come out. Plus honestly this has the stink of Millar all over it, you know what I am fine with this just so long as he keeps his grubby mitts off the actually Marvel Universe I am fine.
Sage Shinigami
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...See, that's when you've read too much into a comic book.
Anyway, Millar's involved...so it'll be awful.
Gold Samurai
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When it's time to cash things in, kill a comic book hero
"After months of Spider-men and women taking up the mantle(even Stark making a Spider-man armor)........."
"SPIDER-MAN RETURNS!!!"
>_>
"After months of Spider-men and women taking up the mantle(even Stark making a Spider-man armor)........."
"SPIDER-MAN RETURNS!!!"
>_>
ryuuseipro
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That's what I was going to say! "Again?"
The "Death of" shtick has worn out its welcome. The confused public couldn't care less anymore.
Darwyn Cooke sums it up best:
“I think everybody in the world likes and understands what a comic is. Except for the people in the direct market. Honest to God. No. Case in point. I’m going to prove my point right here, right now: They do a movie called Batman Begins. Huge success….so they gear up for a sequel. Well lo and behold [Heath Ledger, the actor who plays] the villain in the sequel dies. There’s Oscar talk. The movie’s being hyped and hyped and hyped. So DC’s reaction is [to] kill Bruce Wayne. So anyone coming in off the movie to buy a Batman comic won’t know what the **** is going on. That explains it all to me. You know? [The direct market is] so trapped within itself it doesn’t even understand the world outside of it or what’s there.â€
And with a new Spidey movie in the works, no less! And Marvel has to make jackass decisions with their comics such as the above, and when the movie comes out, people will be like, "Didn't they already kill Spider-Man?"
More to the point, I remember when the 1989 Batman movie came out, and many classmates at school assumed that the reason Robin wasn't in it was because of the Death in the Family comic (and assume that Jason Todd was the same character as Dick Grayson)! Some people easily confuse movie continuity with current comic continuity.
The ends justify the means...
Sage Shinigami
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Darwyn Cooke's a talented writer. Way better than me.
...He still has no idea WTF he's talking about, dude. Allow me to point you to an article, sir:
It's called The Mythical Small Piece of the Pie Argument. It's pretty on point...'cause it's not 1989 anymore.
Artic_Rival
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Ah hell... Someone get Mephisto on this ****! :loltongue:
Blue Saint
Member
Actually I can see Marvel actively trying to screw with any of the outside movie productions now, it has to be why the X-books are in such disarray you know outside the fact Marvel's editors are horrible at their jobs.
This also explains the problem with the Batman titles, Mike Marts the group editor rose to prominence as the X-Men editor during the Nu-Marvel era and was the one that signed off on House of M.
Also the Mythical Small Piece of the Pie Argument is full of crap too, since it is an excuse more than anything. The fact that comics don't sell to a bigger market is squarely the publisher's fault. Since the 90's crash there has been little effort to expand the market anymore, and the business practices of the industry has forced it into being a niche product. If you want to a product to sell it needs to available and accessible, both of which modern comics aren't. If the means of production and distribution are outdated it is their responsibility to do something about it.
m121akuma
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I love how everyone's ignoring the fact that this is Ultimate U, which is significantly more low profile than the mainline universe, which makes death far more permanent. I'm not saying it will be, but it wouldn't shock me that much if he stayed dead for a long time. I mean, ****, Logan's been dead for about a year now in the Ultimate U, and it's going along fine.
ryuuseipro
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That's a moot point, and one I already know. And I'm not expecting sales to skyrocket, but it is good that some people are bothering to read the comics at all. Especially good comics.
But good comics or bad, the movie/TV show adaptations are going to get more attention than the comics, anyway. And they may not necessarily be popular because of the character, but more likely because of star power. Because of Iron Man, Marvel found a way to appease both the comic-book fans and the casual moviegoers. But don't expect the majority of the latter to look for the Iron Man comics. And I LOVE the new Scott Pilgrim movie! But I don't exactly expect people to buy the graphic novels in droves, partly because Scott Pilgrim was always a cult thing.
The Dark Knight was mega-popular because of Heath Ledger, but Batman fans are eager to deny this, because they feel insecure about it. If it weren't for Ledger's passing, the film would do very well, perhaps even better than Batman Begins, but not nearly as meteoric as it is now. And once again, I'm sure Joe Average could care less about the Batman comics, which are already a mess.
Yeah, that's the other big part of it! The publishers, many of whom are fanboys, are very self-indulgent. And their timeliness is not very good, either. That's why Darwyn Cooke is quitting mainstream superheroes until the Big Two gets its acts together. That'll be the day...
Another Darwyn quote:
“Look kids, don’t let anybody tell you any different, okay? The reason [comics] don’t come out in time is because [the creators] don’t work on them. It’s not because it’s impossible. It’s not because the guy’s putting so much into it that it just can’t be done. Okay? They’re just not working at speed. Alright? I’m sorry guys, but that’s the truth. Admit it.”
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