Confused with decade's movie...

[Raida|23]

I imagine as conceived, the movie was meant to act as Decade's ending before the show got popular enough to justify dragging things out for another go-round in Movie Taisen 2010. A lot of the appropriate pieces for finishing Decade off are strewn haphazardly about All Riders.

As executed, All Riders is just so poorly-paced and poorly-written and poorly-edited and poorly-everythinged that it just doesn't feel like any sort of conclusion. Things randomly start and then later stop happening, with Tsukasa's behavior throughout the movie too arbitrary to make the revelation of his origins remotely satisfying.

(I mean, seriously, Igadevil's synopsis of this movie was a much better movie than the movie Toei actually made.)

Ah ah, so sad yet so true. Dont get me wrong, I kinda liked ARVSD, but just for what it seems, sort of a giant Rider party. Nothing more.

 

[NeonZ]

I just can't think the movie ever was conceived to be Decade's ending, in spite of Toei's statement about it.

There's no resolution at all to the "fusion of worlds" plot, with the solution proposed by Shadowmoon turning out to be a lie and then that plot thread just getting dropped.

There's also basically no following up to the whole Wataru thing from the first episode. Fitting it in the series is problematic, but I don't see how this movie could ever have worked as Decade's ending (Currently, I just go with the idea that they dropped ANOTHER wallpaper after the Rider War one initially appeared. Most things fit if you assume that...)

Anyway, answering the questions...

First of all, how does the movie link to the series??? I mean we saw di-end shoot tsukasa and then in the movie, it was like a totally different story!???

It happens some time before the ending of the series. After Amazon World and before Rider War World, somehow. Even though the series' footage gives no time for that.

2nd, Suddenly tsukasa become leader of dai shocker and wants to destroy em after he was kicked out? and wheree is wataru??? and also Blade guy????

Tsukasa WAS Dai-Shocker's leader before losing his memory, after recovering it he became the leader again, but clearly wasn't very fond of it. Look at his brief talk with Yuusuke during the tournament. After he had defeated the Riders in the tournament, he saw that he wasn't able to stop the fusion and destruction of worlds and Shadowmoon thought he wasn't necessary anymore, so he threw him out.

By that point, his whole reason for being in Dai-Shocker had been destroyed, so facing it was no problem.

And the riders that he fought, are they frm AU or the original universe????

Every Rider in this movie was made to closely resemble the original ones. The only ones that we saw without suits were portrayed by their original actors too (besides Kuuga, obviously). Take that as you wish.

Kuuga's ultimate form is kinda diff frm the series.........

In the series, he uses Ultimate form. In this movie, he uses Rising Ultimate form.

How come natsumi's grandpa is a dai shocker member??

Movie Wars 2010, the next Decade movie, explains a bit more about him, although it's still unsatisfying.

most importantly, how does any of this had to do with the series??

Dai-Shocker was the antagonist of the series in the last few episodes, but that's it.

 

[Khaiden]

its different from series version of Decade "he has no story." unlike All Riders vs Daishocker which reflects story background of Kadoya Tsukasa's story as the Sekai no Hakaisha was former leader of Daishocker but the twists of story is interesting some of betrayal scenes may put Tsukasa get kick off and Shadow Moon as the Great Leader of Daishocker recently. Onodera's transformed into stronger version of Ultimate Form is having golden power different from Ultimate Form who completely evil by those black-colored visors. even Wataru and Kenzaki, wasn't there. but Showa to Heisei Kamen Rider teamed up. the Movie Taisen 2010 goes show the true final episode of Kamen Rider Decade and start of Kamen Rider W.

Wataru and Kenzaki were there, they just didn't take their suits off.
And Movie Taisen 2010 didn't begin W, because W was already mid-way through the series (or at least 14 episodes).

 

[Destiny Rider]

Begin's Night was how the events of EP1's cold opening really went down, hench the "True Beginings" tagline. It "begin"s double's story in a metiphorical sense, not a literal one.

 

[Lynxara]

There's no resolution at all to the "fusion of worlds" plot, with the solution proposed by Shadowmoon turning out to be a lie and then that plot thread just getting dropped.

I imagine if Movie Taisen 2010 hadn't been in the works at that point (and it clearly was), you would've had the movie ending with Tetsuo Kurata or one of the Showa Riders saying "The Rider worlds are separating now... thank you, Decade!" before they go disappear into the grey swirly.

The hooks to end the plot off where there. Just... since they knew there would be a second movie, there was no need to put in the ending. So instead the plot is, as you note, really obviously just dropped and we get a more nonsensical ending instead.

There's also basically no following up to the whole Wataru thing from the first episode.

I honestly don't find this scene very important or worth hinging the series ending on. It was kinda cool that Movie Taisen 2010 did, but I don't think you need to use Wataru again to close off that plot point. They pretty clearly only used Wataru for the first episode because, as the Kiva star, he hasn't had time to move on and get more expensive yet!

In the movie that could've been tied off by the Agito actor, for instance. Or even Tetsuo Kurata, who is the first Heisei Rider if you want to get technical about it.

 

[nikoscream]

Easy answer: Like Decade, the poor old movie doesn't fit in anywhere.

Got to admit, I like this answer the best.

 

[NeonZ]

I imagine if Movie Taisen 2010 hadn't been in the works at that point (and it clearly was), you would've had the movie ending with Tetsuo Kurata or one of the Showa Riders saying "The Rider worlds are separating now... thank you, Decade!" before they go disappear into the grey swirly.

The first episode explains that the stories initially unconnected were combining and that caused the fusion and destruction of the worlds, and the only way to stop it would be to kill the Riders. Ending the fusion of worlds just by defeating Dai-Shocker wouldn't fit at all with that set up.

I honestly don't find this scene very important or worth hinging the series ending on. It was kinda cool that Movie Taisen 2010 did, but I don't think you need to use Wataru again to close off that plot point. They pretty clearly only used Wataru for the first episode because, as the Kiva star, he hasn't had time to move on and get more expensive yet!

In the movie that could've been tied off by the Agito actor, for instance. Or even Tetsuo Kurata, who is the first Heisei Rider if you want to get technical about it.

I was not talking about the character himself, but the whole situation that he described initially - which was followed upon by the tv series ending and Movie War, but would fit nowhere in something like All Riders. It's not something that could have been changed by altering one or two scenes of the movie.

Begin's Night was how the events of EP1's cold opening really went down, hench the "True Beginings" tagline. It "begin"s double's story in a metiphorical sense, not a literal one.

The event called "Begin's Night" took place during that night in episode 1, but the movie called "Begin's Night" takes place at some point before Nazca died.

 

[MattComix]

First of all, how does the movie link to the series??? I mean we saw di-end shoot tsukasa and then in the movie, it was like a totally different story!???

Decade doesn't have a story. That's not just my opinion, it is Toei's official cop-out as of the second movie despite acting as though this whole thing might have a point at the outset of the series and even saying that the Dai-Shocker movie was "true ending" of Decade.

2nd, Suddenly tsukasa become leader of dai shocker and wants to destroy em after he was kicked out? and wheree is wataru??? and also Blade guy????

See above.

And the riders that he fought, are they frm AU or the original universe????

It could be said they are the originals if only because Shouichi and Kotaro appear on camera (in hyper-brief cameo's)

Kuuga's ultimate form is kinda diff frm the series.........

Because some jerk thought taking Ultimate Form and giving it the Liefeld treatment would be a such a OMG badass idea.

How come natsumi's grandpa is a dai shocker member??

Refer to my first answer.

most importantly, how does any of this had to do with the series??

Again refer to my first answer.

 

[Lynxara]

The first episode explains that the stories initially unconnected were combining and that caused the fusion and destruction of the worlds, and the only way to stop it would be to kill the Riders.

The first episode pointedly leaves out the "kill the Riders" stuff. Actually, I watched the first episode recently and Wataru's exposition there is really vague. I don't think the writers had any clear idea they'd be using him again when they wrote his lines in episode 1.

So I don't think you can directly connect what Wataru said in 30-31 of the TV show to what he said at the beginning. I think the writers sort of thought up the "Tsukasa has to kill all the Riders" twist as they were writing the show, after doing episode 1. It's the only logical explanation for all of the inconsistencies (and it gives them an excuse to do a lot of Rider vs. Rider stuff in Movie Taisen).

Ending the fusion of worlds just by defeating Dai-Shocker wouldn't fit at all with that set up.

What they actually did didn't fit well with that set-up, either! Once you deal with multiple worlds in a crossover context, everything is going to be kind of arbitrary. The world fusion started for basically no reason, so you could write almost any sort of suitably significant trigger in as a way of stopping it.

For instance, all the Heisei Riders could go "home" after Dai-Shocker was destroyed, causing the worlds to separate provided Tsukasa remains on his own world. Evil is stopped, balance is restored, etc. Had Decade been less popular, I am almost positive this would've been the ending. Instead, Toei decided to drag it out more with Movie Taisen 2010.

 

[NeonZ]

The first episode pointedly leaves out the "kill the Riders" stuff. Actually, I watched the first episode recently and Wataru's exposition there is really vague. I don't think the writers had any clear idea they'd be using him again when they wrote his lines in episode 1.

It's there, actually. Some quotes from episode 1 -

"In 9 worlds, 9 Kamen Riders were born. They were independent, separate stories. But now... the stories are combining, that's why the worlds are becoming one. Eventually, all the worlds will be destroyed."

(...)

"You are the one who will destroy all the Kamen Riders. Creation cannot exist without destruction first... unfortunately..."

While the 9 worlds stuff turned out to be a lie, if Decade had killed the Kamen Riders, the travel would have stopped after Hibiki World anyway, so he pretty much only needed to know about those 9 worlds.

The reason the stories combined? Kotaro/Black in the series mentions that someone is creating bridges between the worlds. As it turns out, Tsukasa traveling around created those bridges, according to "All Riders"; Following Wataru's speech, connecting stories is the reason for the fusion of the worlds. I think everything fits well (besides the moment All Riders is supposed to tie in with the series...)

Even if the current ending scenario was created only after the original writer left, there's little that could be done to change its core without just dismissing the set up of the series, and there's just no way All Riders VS Dai-Shocker could fit there without changing at least half of the movie.