Best Space Sheriff (Gavan-Zaido)
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Forever Knight
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Jiraiya is considered a Metal Hero yet has no Metal on his costume.
Jiraiya's ninja ornaments/headplate/weapons are ofcourse metal not to mention his heroic blade of shining steel. If you had watch the making of Zaido, you would have seen how and what the Zaido's suits are made of. Also, it has been noted that even the gay costume designer doesn't know what Shaider was, so he/she based the suits on doll figures (bet you missed that.) It does show how crappy their researching was for the remake that made Toei reject their original project/script. What breaks the heart of many fans of the Metal Hero Franchise is that the director of Zaido itself don't feel watching toku shows, or hasn't seen even one. Director Zapanta, have done only dramas and pseudo-action series and most of them flopped in tv reviews and one of his more terrible tv adaptation to the disgust of Filipino comic fans, was Captain Barbell on which he plagiarize Smallville's concept. So Zaido's insignia design would not be a wonder if you had seen them in a classic sci-fi show (clue:Star_ _ _ k.)
Honestly, I was really really excited on this project remake/sequel of Shaider when it was first announced by the GMA network. What disappoint me is how they have shown puny effort to research on basic components of a toku show. I expected a lot from it, as they were aggressive to remake a tv classic. To compare a Space Sheriff series made during the 80's to this supposedly sequel of Shaider, you could have expected many improvements from weapons to character development of the story. Remember the episode when the Commander Zion guy introduced his costume and weapons to Gallian, in particular when he showed the laser blaster? He said to Gallian, "this is a laser blaster, when you trigger the blaster, it will shoot laser.(duh:shakefist )
Twenty years since these shows were shown, improvements in special fx and costume making had far outgrown what the original counterparts did use, and I don't wonder why I did have high expectations from the show. To add to the costume issue, haven't you notice that majority of the promotional posters/ads have only shown poses of Zaido(s) without their helmets? It's because, it would be very noticeable in a camera shot that their helmets do indeed have polystyrene imprints, shouldn't be the helmet of the future look sturdy. Also, as I was pointing in the earlier post, Zaido without their helmets were meant to market only the pretty boy actors of the show rather than the main concept which is high futuristic technology (not to miss the head protection technology of course.)
But you know, I watch Zaido sometimes (especially if I have a good threshold of patience) just because of the sexy Amazonas (don't you agree?.) I like also the costume of Drigo, which for me is like samurai-armor-like and the nigi-nigi costume which I found the only successful costume update. Since it was the first time a local network to make a Japan-made-based toku, they could have asked local cosplayers/otaku on how to make a metal/plastic helmet rather make it look like a kindergarten polygon block. They could have asked the fans, on what to expect for a shaider remake/sequel since the director/designers/staff are ignorant about what their supposed original show (Shaider) was.
Perhaps, I would have liked Zaido, if it was shown only once a week. Since, they could have had longer thinking time to make a meaningful storyboard instead of filling them with drama cliches (double love triangles). If it was also a once-a-week show, they could have created more monsters. The ratio of Kuuma monster appearance out of the hundred plus episodes of the show is about 8/100 (I didn't count the minis as they are just well,... mini-versions right?). If it was a once-a-week show, they could have planned good stunts instead of unneccesary Zaido tumblings (the monster are not even mobile to hurt you./obviously seen with Bola Boba monster.) Also, the costumes would have had enough budget to make it believable since the network can save more money from producing a once a week show over the weekdays show.
*See wiki entry by the network for Zaido, to see what I mean about actors/cast being important than Zaido plot (unneccessary description for everyone/even extras). For a hundred-episode show, why does Zaido attacks/arsenal description only has one-sentence trivia entry for them?
Also notice the wiki-entry reiterates almost in every line that the slight alteration of names are homages to Space Sheriff characters:eyebrow: , (in fact due to cramming to pilot the Zaido to rival the other network's superhero show, they were lazy enough to think of new names;refer to previous post about the recycling of Shaider script.) Remaking or making a sequel of a toku classic by GMA network was only about banking on the loyal fandom by people, and not by a reason of their passion to make a toku which simply is a dirty tactic.
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Chronotia Archzenom
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Shaider for the Azure Sheriff of Peace and Liberty.
Too bad for the said sequel is a horrorful one (worse than RING X GRUDGE) for they ridiculated the whole SS (SPACE SHERIFFS SAGA)/ UCHUU KEIJI SERIES.
Too bad for the said sequel is a horrorful one (worse than RING X GRUDGE) for they ridiculated the whole SS (SPACE SHERIFFS SAGA)/ UCHUU KEIJI SERIES.
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Forever Knight
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Dude, you dislike Zaido that is fine. We get it.
What I'm wondering is WHAT if EVERYONE loved Zaido? Then because they enjoyed it would they consider it part of the Space Sheriff Legacy?. Or would they just blow it off like they do now?.
I've seriously never seen so much fucking hatred toward a Tokusatsu series. EVER.
When I watch Disney Power Rangers and then Zaido, sure both aren't as good as our Japanese stuff but my God Zaido blows Disney PR out of the water in storyline. Stunts would have to go in PR's favor.
Now going on about Jiraiya's weapons and headplate being METAL is just pulling straws. The guy isn't in a Metal suit yet is considered a Metal Hero. Which I think had never happend then I would have to agree with Zaido not being in the Space Sheriff Legacy. But THE EXCEPTION WAS APPARENTLEY MADE BY TOEI WITH THIS. So the fact that Zaido has more connections to the Space Sheriffs then Jiraiya has to Metal Heroes then why the **** not include it?.
What's Star ****?. :169:
SapphireBlue
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Okay I agree with Monsutta that Zaido would've been better off as a weekly series, but would you still watch it even if the production team still used their "recycled" ideas, with the similar name changes and everything? Would you change your mind about Zaido and actually like the show if they hired better suit actors, costume designers, but the idea of the Zaido continuing Shaider's legacy stayed the same?
Forever Knight has a point there. I'm pretty sure that if many loved Zaido, they would consider it as part of the Space Sheriff Legacy, and no one would disagree.
Even though the actual Zaido costumes are made out of silicon rubber, Commander Zion already mentioned in the show that the Zaido's armour are made out of metal. Take Dekaranger for example, the costumes may be spandex in real life, but in the show their costumes are made out of DekaMetal. By the way, were most of the costumes in Metal Heroes really made out of metal? I keep wondering how uncomfortable it might be for the suit actors to move in those costumes lol.
I read in an article that Direk Dominic still watched a bit of Shaider to improve on how to make a better toku show. That is why Zaido has gotten a bit better later on.
What can we do if the promoters want to show the actors' faces? When it comes to promoting tv shows in the Philippines, its all about the actors. I once posted in the Zaido thread that most Filipinos (especially the majority of viewers being females) watch primetime based on their favourite actors and actresses. We can't hide from the fact that these shows get high ratings for this reason. What if Zaido hired actors that no one really knows who they are? Would it attract more audiences? No. If it weren't for these actors, Zaido wouldn't be getting ratings that are 30% - 40%, which is very high. If it werent for high ratings, Zaido wouldn't be extended for two more weeks and wouldn't be released on DVD, which I can't wait to get my hands on soon
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If Zaido had low ratings, the company and their sponsors wouldn't be able to make a profit. Which is what happened to ABS-CBN's Rounin, an excellent example of filipino tokusatsu with top notch effects, fight choreography, and production values, but it had actors and actresses who weren't as popular as other celebrities, which lead to low ratings. Because of this, Rounin wasn't able to make a huge profit for all the money and time they spent on this show.
Remember that anybody can edit stuff on Wikipedia, so I'm sure the person who made that page wanted to focus only on the actors.
Forever Knight has a point there. I'm pretty sure that if many loved Zaido, they would consider it as part of the Space Sheriff Legacy, and no one would disagree.
Even though the actual Zaido costumes are made out of silicon rubber, Commander Zion already mentioned in the show that the Zaido's armour are made out of metal. Take Dekaranger for example, the costumes may be spandex in real life, but in the show their costumes are made out of DekaMetal. By the way, were most of the costumes in Metal Heroes really made out of metal? I keep wondering how uncomfortable it might be for the suit actors to move in those costumes lol.
I read in an article that Direk Dominic still watched a bit of Shaider to improve on how to make a better toku show. That is why Zaido has gotten a bit better later on.
What can we do if the promoters want to show the actors' faces? When it comes to promoting tv shows in the Philippines, its all about the actors. I once posted in the Zaido thread that most Filipinos (especially the majority of viewers being females) watch primetime based on their favourite actors and actresses. We can't hide from the fact that these shows get high ratings for this reason. What if Zaido hired actors that no one really knows who they are? Would it attract more audiences? No. If it weren't for these actors, Zaido wouldn't be getting ratings that are 30% - 40%, which is very high. If it werent for high ratings, Zaido wouldn't be extended for two more weeks and wouldn't be released on DVD, which I can't wait to get my hands on soon
.If Zaido had low ratings, the company and their sponsors wouldn't be able to make a profit. Which is what happened to ABS-CBN's Rounin, an excellent example of filipino tokusatsu with top notch effects, fight choreography, and production values, but it had actors and actresses who weren't as popular as other celebrities, which lead to low ratings. Because of this, Rounin wasn't able to make a huge profit for all the money and time they spent on this show.
Remember that anybody can edit stuff on Wikipedia, so I'm sure the person who made that page wanted to focus only on the actors.
Yes I did agree to you on this, and somewhat relates t0 what I pointed about earlier. However, I was referring to the last revision of Zaido by wiki-author who happens to be of the GMA network (bias I guess) which felt like it was avoiding to present the storyline (not confident on that eh?) by focusing on the cast. Tokusatsu shows, aren't about actors, its about spectacular special effects, believable hero suits and action storyline (not girl drama.)
Did you know about the wiki vandal on Zaido? It was an entry before the Zaido's present wiki. Well this link might show other people's perspectives too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zaido:_Pulis_Pangkalawakan&diff=166039205&oldid=166023959
About what Forever Knight's statement:
Well Sir, this link might answer your question:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zaido:_Pulis_Pangkalawakan&oldid=164711093
http://mikeabundo.com/2007/10/15/the-truth-about-zaido-on-wikipedia/
and this
http://kamenriderzunder.multiply.com/
Also, about Jiraiya, I won't argue and answer it anymore (I believe you haven't watched the series yet.) Define Metal hero dude. Toei created it, they can classify it the way they wanted it. As for Zaido, Toei's acknoledgement on the series is still questionable.
*Costume being metal. Ofcourse, what I mean by this is the costume and/or parts of it should appear like metal (Yes I know Sapphireblue, real metal is indeed heavy.) I urge you again to notice the styro-foam(polystyrene) imprints of the helmet. Since you are a fan, you might have watch the making too.
In my third post, I did mentioned that somehow I liked Zaido (for the girls, hehe.) For the record, I don't hate Zaido. Instead I hate the producers of the show who created it. It is because they did not consult us "instead insult some of us" (including many toku fans) on how to make good costumes (they can ask cosplayers on this), good script (I don't want to argue on this) and story development since it is their first attempt to make a toku (there are so many otakus in the country, and why can't they do that?) Okay, if you like Zaido as a toku, that's fine to me. I just made some point why Zaido can't be considered as a Toei Space Sheriff Series. The question is "does everyone like Zaido?". The links I provided should have enlightened you.
Director Dominic was very late to start his watching toku shows.
A good director, make his good research first (AS HIS PRIORITY) before touching/remaking/making a sequel of any classic piece. A show becomes classic, when it creates a following that can stand the test of time. So fans of these classics can get sentimental too. A great number of enraged group of fans of Space Sheriff heroes is undeniable (even made Anti-Zaido groups)and that just defies the purpose of making a sequel or remake, since you don't want the fans hate the show but instead renew their loyalty to the franchise and encourage new generations to follow suit. SapphireBlue, you mentioned about majority of the viewers are being female, isn't it a sign that the lesser ratio of males (Majority of toku fans) don't like it?:sweat: Also, TV Ratings, per se is for business profitability only and ratings in the Philippines are not so credible ...
http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2007/dec/31/yehey/top_stories/20071231top3.html
http://alibata-tv.blogspot.com/2008/02/agb-nielsen-philippine-tv-ratings.html
http://ricojr.wordpress.com/2007/12/22/gma-7-abs-cbn-on-agb-nielsen-ratings-controversy/
, so I don't want to dwell or to discuss on how "good" (orchestrated) Zaido ratings were.
P.S.
Mr. Forever Knight, kindly find me a Sci-fi show that is entitled as Starfuck (refer to your last post), then I might l retract the very long paragraphs of discussions that I posted. Using such word is a disappoinment to your intellectual capability. That was Startrek (Star_ _ _ k), in case you don't how to figure out a simple clue.:thumbs: Suggestion on your next posting. Instead of arguing my point (waste of time). Make a 5-paragraph constructive and substantial article (just like I did), why should Zaido be included as an Official Space Sheriff sequel,*** keyword there is Official.
Sapphireblue, I don't want to hurt your feelings with my posts, (nothing personal). I can sense your great interest in toku shows. If you like Zaido, I hope you can watch the whole Shaider series too, perhaps you might know what I mean with my lengthy articles:laugh: bati tayo.
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Forever Knight
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Yes I have. I've watched ALL Metal Hero shows.
How can u say that about Toei's acknoledgment?.. It says TOEI right at the bottom of the damn logo of Zaido. It's an unofficial spin off. I'm including it in the Metal Heroes/Space Sheriff run and that's it.
Shougo B'Stard
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Forever Knight said:
What's funny is that you don't count Kabutack, Robotack, or Robocon as metal heroes, although Toei does -- they are official members of the metal hero franchise. And now here you are so quick to count glorified fan-film Zaido. :hmm:
On a sidenote, just how exactly is Dai Sawamura winning this poll?!?!? :laugh:
Forever Knight
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I don't believe I ever said I don't count those 3 shows as Metal Heroes. If I ever didn't then that was a stupid opinion on my part. I even nabbed the Robotack movie on VHS.
