Any official Kamen Rider timeline?

[Khaiden]

IMHO, it wasn't that vague. They did say: ''Number 4'' and ''Unidentified Lifeforms'', mentioning a couple of times how he fought against them.

 

[Painted_Outlaw]

Well, they were vague references. It's not like people said, "Oh, Agito looks like that Godai's transformation, Kuuga."

Why would they say "Kuuga" if he was mostly known (in Kuuga) as "Number 4"? :sly:

 

[NeonZ]

I just don't get why people call things that are the same continuity ''crossovers'', but whatever, that's not the topic here...

Because they're still mostly standalone until there's the "cross". Being in the same universe or not doesn't matter. "Avengers Vs X-Men" is a crossover even though both the X-Men and Avengers comics take place in the same universe and are owned by the same company.

Personally, I wouldn't call, say, the Riders appearing in Skyrider a crossover, due to them being basically secondary cast members and being mentioned even when they aren't around several times, but something like Movie Wars, where the only interaction between the multiple Riders is a specific event, and the previous Riders don't become part of the current tv story, is a "crossover".

Climax Deka can be either, I don't see anything in it that would explicitly make it an AU/non-canon movie. It doesn't have to be acknowledged to have happened.

The main issue is that Final Countdown was a direct follow up to Den-O's finale, with the Imagins having left Ryotaro like in the tv finale, completely ignoring Climax Deka.

As far as Gokaiger goes, I was thinking just about the Rider side. Anyway, really, I'd only consider the Ranger Keys a continuity problem if we had seen Gokaired using the power of active teams, but they avoided that. He only uses the powers of the "dead" teams. Although, it is a "plothole" since we don't really see Gokaired being given the keys again either or returning them on screen either.

What's the problem with OOO?! I thought the biggest issue was the Ranger Keys.

The OOO issues aren't that big, but... Date is Proto Birth again even though in Megamax it seemed to be implied that it couldn't ever be repaired, and Eiji has 3 purple medals, which he seemingly didn't recover in Megamax (although there were 3 purple medals left with an unknown fate at the end of the tv show).

 

[Khaiden]

Because they're still mostly standalone until there's the "cross". Being in the same universe or not doesn't matter. "Avengers Vs X-Men" is a crossover even though both the X-Men and Avengers comics take place in the same universe and are owned by the same company.

Personally, I wouldn't call, say, the Riders appearing in Skyrider a crossover, due to them being basically secondary cast members and being mentioned even when they aren't around several times, but something like Movie Wars, where the only interaction between the multiple Riders is a specific event, and the previous Riders don't become part of the current tv story, is a "crossover".

I guess... Skyrider is the first thing I think of when addressing that. I always say: ''Have they ever called New Kamen Rider and Ultraman Mebius crossovers?''
It wasn't only about being in the same universe, it's more about all of it being Kamen Rider. The Ishinomori heroes might have a shared universe with Rider yet I still call those interactions crossovers.

You say that about the Riders appearing in Skyrider yet you call Decade a crossover. I see your point, though.

I've always been under the impression that crossovers are two franchises or series interacting with each other. Rider x Rider is just teaming up with itself, in a way.

The main issue is that Final Countdown was a direct follow up to Den-O's finale, with the Imagins having left Ryotaro like in the tv finale, completely ignoring Climax Deka.

...I have to rewatch them. I don't remember it being so big of an issue as to deny the events of Climax Deka.

 

[Ivanhobe]

The main issue is that Final Countdown was a direct follow up to Den-O's finale, with the Imagins having left Ryotaro like in the tv finale, completely ignoring Climax Deka.

Another issue is that in Climax Deka Zeronoss can transform into Vega Form, which doesn´t seem to be a big deal until you remember that in the series it was a BIG deal. Vega Form can´t be used again in the continuity of the series, ever.

I've always been under the impression that crossovers are two franchises or series interacting with each other. Rider x Rider is just teaming up with itself, in a way.

I guess you could say that the Movie War movies are Team ups for the Riders but crossovers for their Series.

As for the continuity of the series, i just find it easier to assume that every series exists in an alternate universe were past or future Riders just happen to also exist in some way or another.

I guess the main intention of the current continuity is to just ignore the little details and pretend everything exists in the same timeline.

 

[Igadevil]

One of the Genealogy of Justice guidebooks has a pretty cool timeline for the original~Agito run (including the 90's, Kuuga, etc.) Granted it is "just" a video game, but it takes into account series and events not explicitly referenced in the game, and goes with the original Agito concept where the series takes place 3 years after the end of Kuuga (so it's largely set in 2004.) It doesn't address series after Agito, but I never saw any reason why some shows can't take place later than their airdate, unless like Den-O they explicitly mention dates (and then, I can't see why every show has to take place in the same chronological order as they aired in.)

I thought about doing a timeline of actual referenced dates/times in all the series, but there's too many "1 year agos/1 year laters" in the Heisei era I can't remember now. :laugh:

 

[shingamyeonblack]

IMHO, it wasn't that vague. They did say: ''Number 4'' and ''Unidentified Lifeforms'', mentioning a couple of times how he fought against them.

There can be another "Number 4" and other "Unidentified Lifeforms".

They were known as Kuuga and Grongi to the police because they were backing up Godai, right? It could be more specific within the police station.

 

[Herman the German]

I'm currently on Kuuga up to ep. 32 and the only one referring to Kuuga as Kuuga are Yuusuke and the Grongi; somehow I doubt that'll change. :B

 

[Painted_Outlaw]

Yeah, I forget what Ichijo used but, the police always used "Unidentified Lifeform number 4" for Kuuga and each Grongi got a "UL" number of their own.

 

[Toku Prime]

The main issue is that Final Countdown was a direct follow up to Den-O's finale, with the Imagins having left Ryotaro like in the tv finale, completely ignoring Climax Deka.

The thing that always bugged me about Climax Deka was that they mention that Ryotaro has just come back to them after being away, implying that it's set after the events of the show, but the final episode of Den-O made a very certain statement that there won't be any more Imagin and yet Climax Deka has them. It's not so much of an issue to me in the other films (Final Countdown features baddies who've already died, and I've been going with the assumption that Onigashima Warship onwards has been featuring characters from a Decade AR World version of Den-O) but I do wish they'd addressed it somehow, given that an Imagin is the main villain of the film. Plus I'm fairly sure Yuuto used his last card up in Den-O's finale and yet he can transform again now.

The OOO issues aren't that big, but... Date is Proto Birth again even though in Megamax it seemed to be implied that it couldn't ever be repaired, and Eiji has 3 purple medals, which he seemingly didn't recover in Megamax (although there were 3 purple medals left with an unknown fate at the end of the tv show).

Plus the orange medals could presumably be hanging around somewhere.

One of the Genealogy of Justice guidebooks has a pretty cool timeline for the original~Agito run (including the 90's, Kuuga, etc.) Granted it is "just" a video game, but it takes into account series and events not explicitly referenced in the game, and goes with the original Agito concept where the series takes place 3 years after the end of Kuuga (so it's largely set in 2004.) It doesn't address series after Agito, but I never saw any reason why some shows can't take place later than their airdate, unless like Den-O they explicitly mention dates (and then, I can't see why every show has to take place in the same chronological order as they aired in.)

I may be wrong but I've read that the production team never made a definite statement about the heisei shows all been in seperate continuities until Faiz started. I always wondered if that meant Ryuki was another semi-sequel. Maybe it's just wishful thinking caused by wanting that cameo from three Agito characters in the Ryuki movie (which is a non-continuity movie anyway) to count for something, but so much of Ryuki happens in the mirror world or in out-of-the-way locations, I can't think of a reason why it couldn't be happening at the same time as the events of Agito. The only event in Ryuki that would attract the attention of the Agito Riders would be at the end where the entire city teems with monsters, and they could always be up to their neck in them, battling away on the other side of the city wondering what's going on :sweat:

Having said that, even when there was continuity, it was always getting changed here and there. Riderman's sure come back for a lot of special guest appearances considering that he's dead. That's real dedication. Personally I preferred it when everything was kept seperate; it made things nice and simple. Since Decade, continuity has been whatever the writers want it to be on that particular day, and I find it's better not to think about it too much.