Your most hated Kamen rider character?

Bryd0 said:

Another character I don't like... Haruto Souma. Compared to other Kamen Rider protagonists where they have either a charm to them and other things, Haruto is equivalent to a plank of wood. His cry for Koyomi before he gained Infinity Style still irks me. Lack of emotion in it whatsoever. Anyone else agree?

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I think he had a few moments but nowhere near enough. Any time Haruto and Koyomi were on that beach together I got the impression that the actors were capable of far more than we got to see, but the writers just didn't give them the opportunities to show what they could do. The same applies double for Rinko's actress - she was previously in Chou Den-O Episode Blue, and she really made you feel for her character (although her character and that story really clash with the happy happy Imagin antics that make up the rest of the film), but Wizard basically had her kicking around with nothing to do for a year.

Kid Hana in Den-O. At least the adult one was hot though.

Many characters.


Akiko was an over-the-top abusive **** who would slap Shotarou for no reason. She was also entitled, thinking that because Daddy Skull was the boss of Shotarou, she was the defacto owner of Narumi agency. Her and Terui's marriage also made no sense.

Yuuki was half of the time great, half of the time annoying. Gemini Arc anyone? Talk about creepy.

Kusaka was a giant dick with mommy issues.

Wataru and Ryotarou are both little bitches, but at least Ryo didn't go back in time to abort himself.

Ren was a manipulative bastard.

Mutsuki was a fucking phaggot, excuse my language.

And Micchy...Micchy a ****.

Tendo Souji is a big one, though a lot of it is due to me liking him for most of the series until a steep decline at the end. First I thought it was really douchey of him to take other characters' Zecters and even steal them mid-battle while another rider is nearby. Second, I don't think satisfying Tsurugi's death wish was the right thing to do, especially since I don't recall Tsurugi doing anything irredeemable and he was more or less throwing an emotional temper tantrum. Third I don't think he was sufficiently apologetic for injuring Renge.

KamenRiderBiblio said:

She was also entitled, thinking that because Daddy Skull was the boss of Shotarou, she was the defacto owner of Narumi agency. Her and Terui's marriage also made no sense.

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You do realise that's how inheritance works, right? Somebody dies, and unless their will says otherwise then everything they own (minus any taxes and other costs) goes to their spouse and/or children. IIRC the show doesn't really say whether Akiko was his only child, but she would be one of the beneficiaries who stood to get at least some of what he owned, and he appeared to be the sole owner of the detective agency. So yes, if she became the new owner of the business and Shotaro was legally an employee of that business, he now works for her.

As for the marriage, hell knows. I guess they just didn't have any real plot for Ryu after he killed Weather, so hey random romance! After all, it padded out a lot of time in Kiva.

Toku Prime said:

You do realise that's how inheritance works, right? Somebody dies, and unless their will says otherwise then everything they own (minus any taxes and other costs) goes to their spouse and/or children. IIRC the show doesn't really say whether Skull was married to Akiko's mum (either currently or in the past), nor if Akiko was his only child, but she would be one of the beneficiaries who stood to get at least some of what he owned, and he appeared to be the sole owner of the detective agency. So yes, if she became the new owner of the business and Shotaro was legally an employee of that business, he now works for her.

As for the marriage, hell knows. I guess they just didn't have any real plot for Ryu after he killed Weather, so hey random romance! After all, it padded out a lot of time in Kiva.

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Eeeeh, they were hinting some one sided attraction on Akiko's part prior to Weather's demise(Not just in Trial's debut, but I haven't watched it recently enough to know exactly where they occur.), soooo, I don't know, Ryu just rolled with it. I mean, you could complain about the relationship coming out of nowhere, but the marriage just came as an evolution of that.

Well, look at Kyoryuger and how awful the romances in it were (especially Rin - she violently smacks Souji around if he annoys her, and he shows no interest in her throughout the series, but we're supposed to believe they got married and she was the love of his life because - because why? What's appealing about this rather selfish girl?) I think Sanjo is just very bad at writing romances, and too fond of them, including them where they shouldn't be.

At least Akiko had always supported Terui, and I do like the way they don't get together until he's resolved his issues on his own (unlike many relationships in these shows where the woman is expected to act as emotional caretaker.) It's also another way he contrasts with Shotaro. Terui has the "hard-boiled" lifestyle Shotaro wants, including glamorous women throwing themselves at him; but it can't make him happy, and he eventually marries a more ordinary woman because rightly or wrongly he loves her. I do think a lot of the "they didn't belong together!" is based around people thinking it unacceptable that Terui would choose Akiko over a supposedly hotter or "better" woman, even though Aoi and Lily are both pretty horrid people.

Akiko does legally own the agency; as seen in the very first episode, she has the paperwork and there's nothing Shotaro could do about it. He was just Narumi's apprentice, with very little claim to the business (remembering Narumi died suddenly. Had he lived longer, he might have left the business to Shotaro.) Narumi had apparently broken up with Akiko's mother many years before his death so yeah, it's perfectly reasonable his only child should inherit the agency

lazycoconut said:

Well, look at Kyoryuger and how awful the romances in it were (especially Rin - she violently smacks Souji around if he annoys her, and he shows no interest in her throughout the series, but we're supposed to believe they got married and she was the love of his life because - because why? What's appealing about this rather selfish girl?) I think Sanjo is just very bad at writing romances, and too fond of them, including them where they shouldn't be.

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1. She's the only one that actually bothered. She's a strong woman who identified her territory early on and staked her claim on it.
2. It's an anime trope. In practically every shounen I've seen with romance that trope is there.
3. We have to assume that Rin actually does stuff for him (on-screen we've seen her make Souji the energy drink from hell and remind him of his schedule). It's not like she actually got anything back for most of their time together.

I mean, this is what most of Kyoryuger is, really: Sanjo fitting as much tropes as he can as possible to either put his twist on them or poke fun of them. I think he tried to do the same thing to W, except Rider doesn't allow itself as much freedom as Sentai does in this regard, and that's why I think he did a better job in Kyoryuger.

Akiko should at least respect that someone knows some detective work than she does though. I believe Shotaro and Philip as W were active for a while before she showed up.

I do understand her bitchiness toward Terui in post-series movies considering the guy is married to his work as a hero and... he just sucks at social communication. No matter what, I'm still not a big fan of Terui and he really isn't that special or unique in the Rider series when it comes to secondary Riders as several people tries to hype him to be.

Kai Yamato said:

Akiko should at least respect that someone knows some detective work than she does though. I believe Shotaro and Philip as W were active for a while before she showed up.

I do understand her bitchiness toward Terui in post-series movies considering the guy is married to his work as a hero and... he just sucks at social communication. No matter what, I'm still not a big fan of Terui and he really isn't that special or unique in the Rider series when it comes to secondary Riders as several people tries to hype him to be.

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Hmm? Weird, I never thought that. I don't think he's particularly special or unique in his archetype, I just think he's a well-done example of it, that I personally liked. I think this was intentional, as W was a back to basics series as it is, so having a simple, but well-done, secondary rider, without experimenting much, was probably a good idea. He's a baseline secondary in my book, the benchmark I compare rival seconds to. Kind of like Knight, he's not particularly special among those of his archetype, but he's a well-done example of it.