Seitai fans: is the series getting weaker?
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lazycoconut
I liked him when he wasn't a god
I'd say the last show that almost everyone liked was Shinkenger. Goseiger was widely disliked (although it's gained more fans since new people have come into the fandom and been able to watch it without everyone telling them it sucks) and from then on, all the others have had a pretty mixed reaction; Gokaiger has a vocal, if not that big, hatedom that complains that it's "overrated" and "too much fanservice". Almost no one seems to like Ninninger, and I'm seeing a lot of "there'll never be a good Sentai again!!!!!" but that's typical fan behaviour, IMO. Shows that take a beating when they're on the air can often be followed by a much more popular series (Go-onger is one example, Kamen Rider Wizard another)
PowerPhantom245
Lurker
First of all, it's "sentai" (戦隊) not "seitai".
While I'm not a biggest Shinkenger fans, the concept and idea was original in recent years.
I can understand why lot of people liked, even though it's bit overrated.
I'm expecting 10 years after to come by in 2020, similar to Hurricaneger and Dekaranger.
Gokaiger is probably one of the most overrated sentai in recent years, that it has kind of gotten annoying.
I was pretty irritated by how many people calling it one of the "last good/great" sentai, which I find it quite ridiculous.
Most people who's saying that are either new comer or someone who never seen sentai before 00's.
Personally, I don't think that series doesn't belong on my Top 10~15 of my favorite sentai; in fact, it's very close to my least favorite.
I'm sure when Jyuuouger comes by next year, people would be like "anniversary series = awesome/great series" or something.
While I'm not a biggest Shinkenger fans, the concept and idea was original in recent years.
I can understand why lot of people liked, even though it's bit overrated.
I'm expecting 10 years after to come by in 2020, similar to Hurricaneger and Dekaranger.
Gokaiger is probably one of the most overrated sentai in recent years, that it has kind of gotten annoying.
I was pretty irritated by how many people calling it one of the "last good/great" sentai, which I find it quite ridiculous.
Most people who's saying that are either new comer or someone who never seen sentai before 00's.
Personally, I don't think that series doesn't belong on my Top 10~15 of my favorite sentai; in fact, it's very close to my least favorite.
I'm sure when Jyuuouger comes by next year, people would be like "anniversary series = awesome/great series" or something.
lazycoconut
I liked him when he wasn't a god
I thought the OP was typing on a phone with autocorrect or something ...
That seems very unlikely given how successful Tori Matsuzaka has become in Japan. Even if Toei could get him back, he'd be too expensive for them
Proving my point above, that it's just as divisive as other recent shows (although I'm neither new to the fandom, and I have seen almost all Sentai before 00s, but I still like Gokaiger. So do other posters here like Shougo B'Stard who's been in the fandom for over a decade and worships at the altar of '80s Sentai)
I don't think that's necessarily true. Gaoranger for instance is an anniversary series yet is pretty unpopular
Gokai Green
New Member
I don't think Sentai is getting weaker.....I feel that the production side (producers and writers mainly) isn't putting much of an effort. The only 2 shows I've disliked so far has been Go-Busters and Toqger because both shows was just absolutely boring to me and I'm praying that Kobayashi won't return for Juuouger. Also I'm in the minority but I like Ninninger and I feel it's biggest problem is that outside of Kyuemon, the Kibaoni Generals isn't that interesting at all.
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raden238
Guest
Who defends Sentai as the best Toei product???
Everybody loved Gokaiger because it was the ultimate fan service and basically the ultimate Sentai series. It did everything that fans dreamed of and tied 35 years of history together. Its an anomaly of the franchise.
No other Sentai shows can do that (probably no other in future will either). Sentai is a formula driven show, its not story driven like Kamen Rider, so its hard for fans to discuss anything when nothing relating to the plot is happening. Take Ninninger for example, that Master Kibanoi guy isn't showing up until the end, so pretty much the entire show is filler. They didn't follow up with the end shuriken storyline either. Expect that to be addressed at the end as well. Sentai has always been like this. Its good for kids, but older fans would want more and Sentai doesn't give that.
Sentai has always stayed the same for the past 40 years. It doesn't get weaker or stronger.
Everybody loved Gokaiger because it was the ultimate fan service and basically the ultimate Sentai series. It did everything that fans dreamed of and tied 35 years of history together. Its an anomaly of the franchise.
No other Sentai shows can do that (probably no other in future will either). Sentai is a formula driven show, its not story driven like Kamen Rider, so its hard for fans to discuss anything when nothing relating to the plot is happening. Take Ninninger for example, that Master Kibanoi guy isn't showing up until the end, so pretty much the entire show is filler. They didn't follow up with the end shuriken storyline either. Expect that to be addressed at the end as well. Sentai has always been like this. Its good for kids, but older fans would want more and Sentai doesn't give that.
Sentai has always stayed the same for the past 40 years. It doesn't get weaker or stronger.
Toku Prime
Well-Known Member
Weaker? Not neccessarily.
More focused on catering to the core child audience since they lost the other demographics? Yeah.
More focused on selling toys? Well with the weakening yen making it more expensive to make TV shows, requiring a larger budget, and Bandai wanting to maintain a similar return on the money that they put into the show (combined with that weaken yen meaning there's less profit within each individual toy), yes, but only to the point that the viewers' parents' finances can take. There's no point in making more toys than they can afford to buy.
Does that result in the show being tailored in a way that means there's less of what adult, less toy-orientated Western fans want? Well probably.
Will that ever change? Well if one series lucks out and grabs a big chunk of another demographic, or (more likely) if the value of the yen booms and lightens the commercial pressure on the franchise, probably so.
Sentai has always evolved in such a way as to keep the show going whatever the conditions it found itself in. It will probably continue to do so. Whether that matches up with what it's accidental fanbase (us) wants is kinda arbitrary. Besides, our own little fandom here keeps evolving anyway as people come and go, and tastes similarly change.
For what it's worth, I really enjoyed watching Kyoryuger. ToQ and Ninnin haven't replicated that vibe, but if another Sentai can in the future then I'd be very happy. So I haven't given up on modern Sentai just yet.
More focused on catering to the core child audience since they lost the other demographics? Yeah.
More focused on selling toys? Well with the weakening yen making it more expensive to make TV shows, requiring a larger budget, and Bandai wanting to maintain a similar return on the money that they put into the show (combined with that weaken yen meaning there's less profit within each individual toy), yes, but only to the point that the viewers' parents' finances can take. There's no point in making more toys than they can afford to buy.
Does that result in the show being tailored in a way that means there's less of what adult, less toy-orientated Western fans want? Well probably.
Will that ever change? Well if one series lucks out and grabs a big chunk of another demographic, or (more likely) if the value of the yen booms and lightens the commercial pressure on the franchise, probably so.
Sentai has always evolved in such a way as to keep the show going whatever the conditions it found itself in. It will probably continue to do so. Whether that matches up with what it's accidental fanbase (us) wants is kinda arbitrary. Besides, our own little fandom here keeps evolving anyway as people come and go, and tastes similarly change.
For what it's worth, I really enjoyed watching Kyoryuger. ToQ and Ninnin haven't replicated that vibe, but if another Sentai can in the future then I'd be very happy. So I haven't given up on modern Sentai just yet.
Shougo B'Stard
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Me. The past few years have been rough for the franchise, but it's not like Kamen Rider's in any better shape. Drive was even more painful than Ninninger.
SamuraiEchidna
Active Member
I am getting so tired of seeing this completely unfair question, whether it's for Sentai, Kamen Rider, or ANY franchise.
NO!
None of these franchises are getting weaker with the times. They are ADAPTING to the times, and if any of us want to call ourselves fans, so should we.
It's not really fair to compare old stuff to new stuff. If you do that, of course you'll see things they don't do as much today. From how they film fights and choreography to plots and characterizations. Things change over time. The industry changes. What's allowed on TV (especially a kid's show) changes. Sometimes there may be more limits on what they can and cannot do, sometimes the toy companies put their feet down and say "throw all these toy promotions in there!", but all that is just a challenge to see how creative the writers and the actors can get. True creativity can find its way around limitations. We as fans need to stop being so judgmental and adapt with the times. If we keep expecting things to go back to the way things use to be, we're only going to get disappointed every time. That's not how things work.
Maybe it's not the best example, but look at me! I keep my expectations low. All I want is to have fun with what I'm watching. That's all. And often times, the series I am watching will deliver on that and then some. And if we haven't watched the show in its entirety, then we shouldn't judge it as a whole. I don't often watch Power Rangers, but I do my best to make it VERY clear that I stop because "it's not for me". I don't stop near the beginning and claim the entire production to be crap just because I don't like it. Who am I to make that kind of judgement call? Who is ANYONE to make that kind of judgement call?
I second that.
I don't know if Super Sentai really is the best, but I like to think of it as an acquired taste. Kind of like how there are fans of Superman, even though most people think of him as the Gary Stu of superheroes.
NO!
None of these franchises are getting weaker with the times. They are ADAPTING to the times, and if any of us want to call ourselves fans, so should we.
It's not really fair to compare old stuff to new stuff. If you do that, of course you'll see things they don't do as much today. From how they film fights and choreography to plots and characterizations. Things change over time. The industry changes. What's allowed on TV (especially a kid's show) changes. Sometimes there may be more limits on what they can and cannot do, sometimes the toy companies put their feet down and say "throw all these toy promotions in there!", but all that is just a challenge to see how creative the writers and the actors can get. True creativity can find its way around limitations. We as fans need to stop being so judgmental and adapt with the times. If we keep expecting things to go back to the way things use to be, we're only going to get disappointed every time. That's not how things work.
Maybe it's not the best example, but look at me! I keep my expectations low. All I want is to have fun with what I'm watching. That's all. And often times, the series I am watching will deliver on that and then some. And if we haven't watched the show in its entirety, then we shouldn't judge it as a whole. I don't often watch Power Rangers, but I do my best to make it VERY clear that I stop because "it's not for me". I don't stop near the beginning and claim the entire production to be crap just because I don't like it. Who am I to make that kind of judgement call? Who is ANYONE to make that kind of judgement call?
I second that.
I don't know if Super Sentai really is the best, but I like to think of it as an acquired taste. Kind of like how there are fans of Superman, even though most people think of him as the Gary Stu of superheroes.
SquidKing
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