Regarding TVN's PayPal

Wow, hell must have frozen over.

And with that, lock de aru.

Um, no KickHopper. You come here biased, believing exactly what KingRanger wanted you to believe: that it was an HJU member responsible, and that all of us here are evil evil people.

Most of the people here took what KingRanger said as truth, and expressed our disgust at what happened. You call that ignoring possibilities? No. You are ignoring the possibilities. You think we have some huge conspiracy going on, hiding the truth about what happened. But you yourself have no proof of anything. At least Mikazuki has posted some information to back-up her idea about what happened.

You are blindly accusing one of our members without knowing anything about this message board. You are saying that we are thieves. I'm sorry sir, but you seem to be the main person blatantly ignoring the possibilities. The possibility that maybe, we are not all scum like KingRanger makes us out to be. Learn to think for yourself.

now to be fair, given how Much Kingranger has done for the fandom, if you don't know the past between him and HJU/JH then there's no reason not to believe him, 99% of message boards are 4-chan level in thier intellegence and honesty so without coming here there is no reason to believe we were diffrent, now he knows better. But things like my sig are permanent ways for people to look into the past and get a clearer picture.

toranoko said:

Um, no KickHopper. You come here biased, believing exactly what KingRanger wanted you to believe: that it was an HJU member responsible, and that all of us here are evil evil people.

Most of the people here took what KingRanger said as truth, and expressed our disgust at what happened. You call that ignoring possibilities? No. You are ignoring the possibilities. You think we have some huge conspiracy going on, hiding the truth about what happened. But you yourself have no proof of anything. At least Mikazuki has posted some information to back-up her idea about what happened.

You are blindly accusing one of our members without knowing anything about this message board. You are saying that we are thieves. I'm sorry sir, but you seem to be the main person blatantly ignoring the possibilities. The possibility that maybe, we are not all scum like KingRanger makes us out to be. Learn to think for yourself.

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Misleading much? I never accused anyone. I heard that it may have been possible that a member here had done it, and so I myself came to investigate. When finding nothing, I came to three conclusions. One, if it was a member, he was dealt with. Two, if it was a member, it may be someone in the higher ups, who hid his tracks. I've moderated forums before and I know all a mod has to do is click the delete button on a thread and its gone. Or three, no one here was responsible. I NEVER POINTED FINGERS AT ANYONE. I blatantly stated that everything I said was merely observations from what I found, or rather didn't find, in my preliminary search. Of which I pointed out that Mikazuki was expressing her findings as pretty much solid evidence that KingRanger is lying. So don't turn around and call me the bad guy just because you don't like the truth. I'm nobody's lapdog, and nobody makes me believe anything without evidence. I give everyone the benefit of the doubt, something which I find to be lacking in Mikazuki's accusations. She apparently has a past with TVN but that doesn't matter. You always give someone the benefit of the doubt, until it is proven without a shadow of a doubt that they did do something. So go point your fingers somewhere else. I'm not gonna bend over because you think I'm being harsh. I'm being honest.

I can also bring up the plently chat logs of him harassing me on IRC. He actually followed me on to the Rizon networks to harass me after I left zIRC.

Yes, ol ye Kingranger; toku fansub provider by day, IRC stalker by night.

I didn't realize this forum was about bashing KingRanger I'm sorry. I thought this was a discussion about the event (or hoax for nonbelievers) that occured with TVNIHON'S PAYPAL. Not KINGRANGER'S PAYPAL, TVNIHON'S PAYPAL. I'm sorry if my caps bother you all but apparently it takes nagging to get some of you to understand anything. Sorry if that was too harsh, merely an observation.

KickHopper said:

I didn't realize this forum was about bashing KingRanger I'm sorry. I thought this was a discussion about the event (or hoax for nonbelievers) that occured with TVNIHON'S PAYPAL. Not KINGRANGER'S PAYPAL, TVNIHON'S PAYPAL. I'm sorry if my caps bother you all but apparently it takes nagging to get some of you to understand anything. Sorry if that was too harsh, merely an observation.

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You're the one that has continued to defend someone... I am just stating the facts to contradict your statements about his character, that's all (which we happened to post at the same time and my post ended up coming after yours).

You're the one overreacting, dear friend.:thumbs:

I believe what I said is pretty much exactly what I wanted to say.

You just said you came here because someone said one of us did it. This means you came here biased, believing that someone here was responsible. And two of your conclusions - which means you should have evidence to back yourself up - are blaming members here. Those conclusions are accusations in themselves. Your conclusions may not accuse one member specifically, but they accuse /a/ member, and even the moderators of this board. Do not say that /that/ is not pointing fingers.

Ladymercury said:

You're the one that has continued to defend someone... I am just stating the facts to contradict your statements about his character, that's all (which we happened to post at the same time and my post ended up coming after yours).

You're the one overreacting, dear friend.:thumbs:

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I'm defending what KingRanger has done for the Toku community. If you all feel so aliented by him that his actions for the community are of no consequence then so be it. I can't change that. However, do not blame me for starting this whole thing of going back and forth about KingRanger's character. A defense only occurs when there's been an offense first. I started by merely pointing out that the hoax theory, and I stress the word theory, didn't take into account things that could defunct that theory, and that it was stated almost as fact. Not in so many words but in the way it was expressed. Instead of conceding to that logical point, you all went on to attack KingRanger's character, which in my point of view has yet to show any influence on this save for his initial accusation of HJU, which he appologised for. So again, point your fingers elsewhere.

toranoko said:

I believe what I said is pretty much exactly what I wanted to say.

You just said you came here because someone said one of us did it. This means you came here biased, believing that someone here was responsible. And two of your conclusions - which means you should have evidence to back yourself up - are blaming members here. Those conclusions are accusations in themselves. Your conclusions may not accuse one member specifically, but they accuse /a/ member, and even the moderators of this board. Do not say that /that/ is not pointing fingers.

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You really are starting to get on my nerves. Yeah, I came here cause someone said someone here did the dirty deed. You know what that's called? INVESTIGATION. When someone says "I think soandso did this," you investigate that person or community until you reach a conclusion. I did not come here bias. I never take on anything in new territory with a bias. I have no previous dealings with HJU, therefor I am not going to have a bias. Yes two of my conclusions were the possibilities of someone from this board, but one was not. Now amongst educated people, we call that a theory which contains doubt. And since I am the person who established the doubt, /I/ am not pointing fingers at anyone. It's called speculation to give people something to think about and to give those in charge something to look into if need be. Keith made his case already that no one in the HJU staff could have done this, and I'm going to take his word for it unless something else should lead me to suspect that again. And as I said before, my preliminary searches found that no one had previously discussed reporting TVN to PayPal, which puts that suspect in doubt already. And now we have KingRanger's own testimony that his accusations were false. SO STOP MAKING ME LOOK LIKE A BAD GUY ALREADY