Pokemon VA Cast: Justice Limited

Keith "JC" Hayward said:
Wait, wait, wait.... have you seen One Piece in its original form?

(Warning, really stupid rant coming up. The bunny is loose!)

I havent. I will openly say that because I've seen enough anime in my time to know why people like the Sub. Because they are more forgiving and it was free for them to download and watch. They are hearing a different language they dont understand so they arent hearing the show in the same way Japanese are hearing it. Yes, I bet One Piece had very serious stories about murder, betrayal, beer, and other mature themes. Those stories resonate from the Dub. I can tell that the show takes itself seriously in the Sub and in the Dub too.

But the animation is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. I can't stand it. Their faces are retarded looking. You're not going to tell me that a show with Clown Bosses and Shark People and Pinnoccio nosed friends with sling shots is a good anime. Some of those characters look like Disney Toons for cryin out loud and their mouths get enourmously huge when they scream that I bust out laughing when it's supposed to be a serious moment.

And good lord when they SCREAM it's hilarious. Especially with Lufei's voice. That's hysterical.

The only reason people dont like the dub is because the voices... and the occassional "omg no bloods? omg no booze?". Does missing out on blood and booze really take away from what REALLY makes this show suck? Nah.

I cant imagine watching this show on sub and liking it. I just cant. I CAN imagine how other people ended up liking it. Easily. You download it, you watch it. You say "eh not bad". You point out what was good. The action was nice. Kinda funny. You'll keep watching. And as you keep watching the show goes into a story arc and you dont stop and you end up getting deep into it. The characters grow on you and you are not only laughing but caring for them when things get serious.

However I'm being VERY vain with this anime. I just cant look at how completely stupid these characters look without laughing. I cant take it seriously, at all.

You can give the main cast all the seriously, kick ass poses and expressions you want. Throw blood all over them and make them out to be bad asses. But that's not going to change my opinion that they look stupid and that every single character of the show is even worse looking. The show itself is what sucks in my eye. Not the dub.

And yes. Im hatin with extreme prejudice here brutha. I just cant get into it. Well, more like I refuse to.

Sorry, when I see treasure box people, pinnoccio, big mouths, and clown villains, I draw the line. *gets a stick and draws it* :anime:
 
GrnPsychoGarren said:
(Warning, really stupid rant coming up. The bunny is loose!)

I havent. I will openly say that because I've seen enough anime in my time to know why people like the Sub. Because they are more forgiving and it was free for them to download and watch. They are hearing a different language they dont understand so they arent hearing the show in the same way Japanese are hearing it. Yes, I bet One Piece had very serious stories about murder, betrayal, beer, and other mature themes. Those stories resonate from the Dub. I can tell that the show takes itself seriously in the Sub and in the Dub too.

You can say that all you want, but no.... you cannot see the quality of One Piece through that Dub. Like I tried to illustrate above, please do not lump me into the corner with Sub Elitists.

I am not one.

I've seen and enjoyed many subs. Even the DBZ with its changed music wasn't that bad, tho I prefered the sub.

One Piece Dub on the other hand is that bad.

Yeah it's got mature themes, but mixed in will with silly. Though Japanese people may hear it differently because of the language... as a human you are able to listen and understand sincerity, emotion and flow.

Something the One Piece Japanese VA's have in spades.

And no... not all the Dub cast are bad. Some are good, but they speak to a terrible back drop of replaced musich that didn't need to be replaced.

I am not a music snob either. I understand why they changed it for DBZ and I hear Zatch Bell has some changed music as well, but it doesn't bother me.


But the animation is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. I can't stand it. Their faces are retarded looking. You're not going to tell me that a show with Clown Bosses and Shark People and Pinnoccio nosed friends with sling shots is a good anime.

Damn right. One Piece's style is strong and unique. What it does in its style it does with dedicated purpose. Buggie the Clown wasn't my favorite, but the Shark guys.... in the original version..... incredible. As well as Usopp with his Pinnocio nose, since he is The King of Liars. :thumbs:

Usopp's a excellent example of this kinda character done right. Most times he's be useless and obnoxious dead wait for the sake of comedy relief. Instead, he pulls his wait and because he's not super powered he pulls it harder than anyone else.

Some of those characters look like Disney Toons for cryin out loud and their mouths get enourmously huge when they scream that I bust out laughing when it's supposed to be a serious moment.

And good lord when they SCREAM it's hilarious. Especially with Lufei's voice. That's hysterical.

I got no problem with Disney characters, but Luffy's roar in the sub is one of a boy filled with rage. An power to be reconned with.

The only reason people dont like the dub is because the voices... and the occassional "omg no bloods? omg no booze?". Does missing out on blood and booze really take away from what REALLY makes this show suck? Nah.

Depends on the end of the Arabast Saga, where it's a necessity. But no, loss of blood and booze do not a good anime make. That's not needed. What is needed is an ensamble cast of characters with voices that inspire and not grate on your soul. Yes, some of those voices are like listening to nails across a chalk board, but in addition it's the mixed in music that just steals away any true sincere emotion the adventure normally packs.

And the way the music is mixed in. It's strangely too loud. I remember DBZ Season 3 having this problem. They didn't get the volume right so that when it all comes together it just doesn't sound right.

I cant imagine watching this show on sub and liking it. I just cant.

If you've convinced yourself, unfortuantely this will probably be true.

I CAN imagine how other people ended up liking it. Easily. You download it, you watch it. You say "eh not bad". You point out what was good. The action was nice. Kinda funny. You'll keep watching. And as you keep watching the show goes into a story arc and you dont stop and you end up getting deep into it. The characters grow on you and you are not only laughing but caring for them when things get serious.

Exactally. Oddly enough, with One Piece I thought it was only alright. But then something happened that turned it up a billion notches and I was sold. Since then it's pounded out incredible story after incredible story... deep characters, plots, twists and fantastic sights.

It's a shame you'll never know..... the wonders I've seen, but as a friend I'm telling you, the **** shown on CN in the dub is NOT a good gauge on how good One Piece actually is.

However I'm being VERY vain with this anime. I just cant look at how completely stupid these characters look without laughing. I cant take it seriously, at all.

You can give the main cast all the seriously, kick ass poses and expressions you want. Throw blood all over them and make them out to be bad asses. But that's not going to change my opinion that they look stupid and that every single character of the show is even worse looking. The show itself is what sucks in my eye. Not the dub.

And yes. Im hatin with extreme prejudice here brutha. I just cant get into it. Well, more like I refuse to.

Sorry, when I see treasure box people, pinnoccio, big mouths, and clown villains, I draw the line. *gets a stick and draws it* :anime:

So, by this rational, those who've seen Masked Rider and hated it, probably wouldn't like Kamen Rider Black.

Okay! :thumbs:
 
Keith "JC" Hayward said:
So, by this rational, those who've seen Masked Rider and hated it, probably wouldn't like Kamen Rider Black.

Okay! :thumbs:

Touche' Keith. =_= Touche'. But Masked Rider was so drastically different that it's unfair to compare it to an Anime Dub. Since nothing about the animation was changed other than dialogue, and cutting out blood. You still see the same characters in the same situations and the same battles they face. You are just hearing it differently.

Keith "JC" Hayward said:
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I've seen and enjoyed many subs. Even the DBZ with its changed music wasn't that bad, tho I prefered the sub.

Whoooooaa whoa whoa. You didnt like DBZ's American Music? Holy hell, I'm one of those guys that thinks the English DBZ kicks the livin hell out of the Japanese version. I hate the Japanese music. The Dub music is soooo compeltely bad ass and makes the show so much better.

Cmon Keith, how could you NOT like that awesome music? It's some of the best rockin music ever. Unless you mean the opening theme. I tell you everyone is nuts over "CHA LA.. CHA LA HEEEAD! CHAAA LAAA!!! CHAA LAA HEAAAD!!!"

But never liked the song. I prefer Rock the Dragon over it anyday. Cause I can go WILD to Rock the Dragon. Its kickin.
 
Skyknight said:
It makes sense, "Battle Frontier" is set in Kanto, so its' like the series coming full circle again, Kanto was chosen because its' the tenth anniversary season, they probably are going to adapt the second part of the Frontier, but as one long season, thenPK USA moves on to this "Pokemon Ranger" nonsense, and 4Kids wraps up the show on their side.

Yeah but whey would 4Kids stop Pokemon during the Ranger series when the Ranger game is coming out soon AND not to mention that the series will eventually be set in the new land that Diamond and Pearl, the new DS games, are gonna be set in. So when the DS games come out in the US and there's no show to explain it everyone playing it is gonna be all "WTF?:sly: "
 
GrnPsychoGarren said:
Touche' Keith. =_= Touche'. But Masked Rider was so drastically different that it's unfair to compare it to an Anime Dub. Since nothing about the animation was changed other than dialogue, and cutting out blood. You still see the same characters in the same situations and the same battles they face. You are just hearing it differently.

Really... music for someting plays heavily into the story and feel of a show. But for the record they did more than change the voice and music. They've stranged re-editted certain scenes. Kinda like a shot of the bad guy, then a shot of an onlooker, then the shot of half the bad guy's face when he smiles........ changing it to seeing the guy half smile first, to his full body, then the on lookers.

This may seem like nothing, but first and formost it's not needed!

Lotta other things really kill the series and don't show what made it great whatsovever. Said it many times, the 4Kids butcher is not a proper gauge of how good the show actually is.

I'm no sub snob. I actually like the new opening they gave One Piece and understand why they'd go with it over the original. But the rest is horrible.


Whoooooaa whoa whoa. You didnt like DBZ's American Music? Holy hell, I'm one of those guys that thinks the English DBZ kicks the livin hell out of the Japanese version. I hate the Japanese music. The Dub music is soooo compeltely bad ass and makes the show so much better.

I didn't say I didn't like it. I said I prefered the Japanese. And I did like some of it, but in Season 3 at the start they didn't mix it right so that the music was strangly too quite.

Where as One Piece has been oddly mixed too loud.

Cmon Keith, how could you NOT like that awesome music? It's some of the best rockin music ever. Unless you mean the opening theme. I tell you everyone is nuts over "CHA LA.. CHA LA HEEEAD! CHAAA LAAA!!! CHAA LAA HEAAAD!!!"

But never liked the song. I prefer Rock the Dragon over it anyday. Cause I can go WILD to Rock the Dragon. Its kickin.

I liked Rock the Dragon too over Cha La Head Chaa La, but I liked "WE GOTTA POWER!!!" even more! :buttrock:
 
I never really liked One-Piece. It was...well...okay (both dub and original)

I really don't get why everyone loves the English Naruto VAs, IMO, they suck. Now, I'm not a Naruto person (saw episode 1, that's it.) but my relative watches Naruto in Japanese and says that the dub is crap. Well if it was crap, then this so-called "Sexy Justu" would be relpaced instead. Plus, it's done by Viz (Geneon Entertainment), so their anime keeps the original JP BG score.

As for the Pokemon thing, I'd hate to admit it, but I watch it in place of MF, thanks to torrent. It's actually gotten better, they're 90% consistant to the original, less puns & jokes, unlike Johto League Champions.

Changing the VAs would suck so bad..fine subsitute Amy Birnbaum for Max, there's no loss. Just do Battle Frontier for cripes sake, but keep Veronica Taylor, Eric Stuart, Rachel Lillis, Stan Hart, Ted Lewis and all the others Original VAs!
 
Keith "JC" Hayward said:
I liked Rock the Dragon too over Cha La Head Chaa La, but I liked "WE GOTTA POWER!!!" even more! :buttrock:

I take you're not a fan of Bruce Faulconer's DBZ theme...I understand. But..the movie OP 6 & 8 (by Tendrill) themes rocks by Mark Menza.

I have both extended and movie-size...I'll up it in a flash!
 
The Naruto dub is quality. Heh... the only one of the Naruto dub I'm not overly fond of is Naruto himself.

Other than that it's near perfect.

Hardcore fans won't like it because it's in English, tho.
 
hmmm, to be honest there's nothing wrong with dub's, when it comes to One Piece there is a lot of things I can forgive such as lightening a character's skin to avoid stereotypes, changing rifles into "water guns", giving characters accents after all this is america, etc, but I can't stand the way they butchered the plot. One Piece is essentially an anime about life, about how life can have it's good times and it's bad times, but no matter what you have to hold on to your dreams, for me it seems like the dub has taken away that very important underlying message.

It just seems to be an adventure anime with a bit of fighting in it, what happened to the plots of friendship? Moral Justice vs. Absolute Justice. Sticking together no matter what? If they tossed these powerful messages in, then I'd be happy, but for now I'm glad that american kids can discover one piece and their older cousins or whatever can give them subs.

Plus the theme song totally blows.


oh and that pokemon thing was pretty messed up too.
 
In regards to DBZ, I really like the Falcouner soundtrack, and the rock music in the movies wasn't too bad either. I even really like the opening that i've heard so many people complain about, the one used in the Trunks and Bardock specials dub (that instrumental one).

The original music works much better in the Dragonball dub than i think it would for the DBZ dub. In retrospect i'm no fan of the new music they conjured up for the "Ultimate Uncut Special Edition." It just sucks. Except for possibly the new "Red" opening sequence. But i'm no fan of the music used during the show or in the end credits for that. I would have much rather had them either obtain the REAL japanese soundtrack or (more preferably IMO) use BF's synth soundtrack.

And I wholeheartedly agree that the One Piece dub sucks pretty bad, especially Sanji. ::shudders:: Tho, I also like the dub opening theme.

As for Pokemon, I can't say I've watched any of the show in a while (I've had no cable television for almost a year now, but I had stopped Kids' WB some time before that happened. All I've had is ABC, and that are far from the best channel ever, but i'm pretty pissed that they aren't keeping the cast from the anime that probably paved the way to me being the fan I am now. They ARE the characters.
 

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