Newer Sentai Turns Me Off

[NeonZ]

Maybe add-on mechas is the more accurate term. But the point still stands. Both used the team power-up as an excuse to add more mechas to the roster. Neither were really needed. (I find Blast Buggy a more creative add-on mecha than yet another five-piece combiner in the vein of Victory Mars that is DekaWingRobo.)

Functionally, the DekaWing Robo adds much more variability than the Blast Buggy. It's a flight specialized machine that actually used those abilities pretty often, including to leave the atmosphere and go back down. The Buggy adds... another gun. Besides, they already had a 6th mecha that combined with their initial 5 ones. The Blast Buggy would be just redundant.

Also, personally, the Dekawing Robo is pretty much one of Sentai's best designs.

FlashTitan I wouldn't really consider an "upgrade" mecha more than a "back-up" or "secondary" mecha, since it was only brought out after Kaura damaged FlashKing.

It basically became the Flashman's biggest gun after its introduction, not just a secondary choice, just like the DekaWing Robo and the MagiLegend (Well, this last one only theoretically, it was beaten too often...) And that was basically the point with those other mechas too.

The Super Dekaranger Robo could fly, but not really fight aerial opponents well, so it just got stomped when it faced a robot owned by an extremely rich Alienizer. Then, in later episodes, there were robots with bombs inside that couldn't be blown up near the city and also missions that needed flying out of the planet and returning.

In Magiranger, they had surpassed the Heavenly Saints when they got the Legend Mode, which was the equivalent of the power of the creators of Magitopia. It wouldn't make much sense if their strongest mode continued to be based on those Heavenly Saints that they surpassed.

 

[Black Fang]

Functionally, the DekaWing Robo adds much more variability than the Blast Buggy. It's a flight specialized machine that actually used those abilities pretty often, including to leave the atmosphere and go back down. The Buggy adds... another gun. Besides, they already had a 6th mecha that combined with their initial 5 ones. The Blast Buggy would be just redundant.

Blast Buggy is like TetraBoy, which is the appeal it has. If anything DekaWingRobo is the redundant mecha. If it had been a single piece mecha or something besides just another five-piece robo, that would be one thing. But just because the team gets a power-up doesn't mean they need a new mecha to go with it. Look at Gingaman. So what if it flies, that's not exactly novel among Sentai robos.

It basically became the Flashman's biggest gun after its introduction, not just a secondary choice, just like the DekaWing Robo and the MagiLegend (Well, this last one only theoretically, it was beaten too often...) And that was basically the point with those other mechas too.

The Super Dekaranger Robo could fly, but not really fight aerial opponents well, so it just got stomped when it faced a robot owned by an extremely rich Alienizer. Then, in later episodes, there were robots with bombs inside that couldn't be blown up near the city and also missions that needed flying out of the planet and returning.

But you could easily write episodes in a different way. Even if the writers had to include all of Bandai's products, that doesn't mean they must write battle scenes in any specific way. Need proof, look at Kiva. Bashaa Fever doesn't get used ever, whereas some things got used only once and forgotten.

In Magiranger, they had surpassed the Heavenly Saints when they got the Legend Mode, which was the equivalent of the power of the creators of Magitopia. It wouldn't make much sense if their strongest mode continued to be based on those Heavenly Saints that they surpassed.

And yet their suits were still designed after those Saints, at least the helmets? That still doesn't mean a new mecha was absolutely necessary. Again, look at Gingaman. Or even Fiveman if you want to go farther back. (Hell even Changeman and Flashman, which didn't come with extra anything.) Your explanation could easily be quoted by a Bandai or Toei spokesman (Don't give them ideas >>).

 

[ClydeHowlyn]

I really hate Alata and his "Yosh!" fist pumps

that is all

 

[Forever Knight]

If the newer ones turn you off, I don't want to know about the older ones...

Classic Sentai will ALWAYS be better than the 2000 era.

 

[NeonZ]

Blast Buggy is like TetraBoy, which is the appeal it has. If anything DekaWingRobo is the redundant mecha. If it had been a single piece mecha or something besides just another five-piece robo, that would be one thing. But just because the team gets a power-up doesn't mean they need a new mecha to go with it. Look at Gingaman.

Huh... Are you talking from a toy based point of view? If so, I really don't care.

The DekaWing Robo had battle footage pretty different from the ones with the Super/Dekaranger Robo, so it was in no way pointless. Who cares if the toys didn't have some special gimmick? And it did have one, with the secondary combination that turned it into a gun.

So what if it flies, that's not exactly novel among Sentai robos.

But the robot flying around to kick missiles out of the air is pretty rare.

A flying Super Robot with two guns that also turns into a giant gun is a pretty original concept, in or out of Sentai. Much more original than Sentai's standard sword robots which were just based on 70s and early 80s anime.

But you could easily write episodes in a different way. Even if the writers had to include all of Bandai's products, that doesn't mean they must write battle scenes in any specific way. Need proof, look at Kiva. Bashaa Fever doesn't get used ever, whereas some things got used only once and forgotten.

Do you really think Kiva is a good example of merchandising tie in? The way various items were used only once and forgotten was just distracting. That was not good writing. If the toys are getting included, they better actually feel like part of the show, not only random commercials during the series that are almost completely ignored afterwards.

And yet their suits were still designed after those Saints, at least the helmets?

The helmet's shape changed when they went to Legend mode, although not too much. They still had to use their basic forms before going Legend, after all.

That still doesn't mean a new mecha was absolutely necessary. Again, look at Gingaman. Or even Fiveman if you want to go farther back. (Hell even Changeman and Flashman, which didn't come with extra anything.) Your explanation could easily be quoted by a Bandai or Toei spokesman (Don't give them ideas >>).

If the warriors need a power up to face the monsters, wouldn't the robot which faces them as a giant need a power up too? In Changeman, a few times the robot was directly shown on screen to be powered up by the Changeman themselves. So their growth would be reflected on the robot's power.

In Flashman, the FlashKing wasn't really doing too well later in the series, considering how it was trashed twice. Yeah, the Great Titan wasn't directly connected to any power up, but it's basically the same concept. A stronger robot introduced midway through the series.

 

[Forever Knight]

Seems fans are still living in the past and in denial of the change of times.

Kids keep buying all of these "un-needed" extra forms and mecha so it must mean they like them and want them aswell.

HOW DARE THIS JAPANESE KID'S SHOW HAVE ALOT OF TOYS!!!! HOW DARE IT!. :shakefist

:redface2:

Some of you need a good reality check.

 

[Beast King]

As said before, Timeranger to Gekiranger (Maybe Shinkenger) were still very good shows, But some i liked more than others i guess its really the characters that turn me off not the show itself.

 

[Black Fang]

Huh... Are you talking from a toy based point of view? If so, I really don't care.

The DekaWing Robo had battle footage pretty different from the ones with the Super/Dekaranger Robo, so it was in no way pointless. Who cares if the toys didn't have some special gimmick? And it did have one, with the secondary combination that turned it into a gun.

I'm not talking about toys, I'm talking about creativity. Blast Buggy is a more original concept than yet another combiner robo.

But the robot flying around to kick missiles out of the air is pretty rare.

A flying Super Robot with two guns that also turns into a giant gun is a pretty original concept, in or out of Sentai. Much more original than Sentai's standard sword robots which were just based on 70s and early 80s anime.

Couldn't you say then that DekaWingRobo was emulating Shaider's Babylos and Spielban's Gran Nazca, which themselves probably got the idea from anime?

If it was a single piece robo with a giant gun mode and a robo mode, I might be more willing to agree. That would be less monotonous and be a nice throwback to earlier shows. But did the individual PatWings really do much on their own outside one or two episodes? In fact, do we ever really see the individual components do stuff? Even from a toy perspective, all they seem to be good for is combining.

Do you really think Kiva is a good example of merchandising tie in? The way various items were used only once and forgotten was just distracting. That was not good writing. If the toys are getting included, they better actually feel like part of the show, not only random commercials during the series that are almost completely ignored afterwards.

I said it was an example of how the writers weren't dependent on the toys' features when writing the battles. Whether it was done well or not is a different story.

The helmet's shape changed when they went to Legend mode, although not too much. They still had to use their basic forms before going Legend, after all.

The shape hardly changed. They just got extra white decoration. I still don't see your point.

If the warriors need a power up to face the monsters, wouldn't the robot which faces them as a giant need a power up too? In Changeman, a few times the robot was directly shown on screen to be powered up by the Changeman themselves. So their growth would be reflected on the robot's power.

In Flashman, the FlashKing wasn't really doing too well later in the series, considering how it was trashed twice. Yeah, the Great Titan wasn't directly connected to any power up, but it's basically the same concept. A stronger robot introduced midway through the series.

Was FlashTitan necessarily stronger? And there was at least one time when FlashKing had to bail it out.

I'm just saying that a power-up doesn't have to come with a brand-new mecha, especially when the show has two or three already. This is just Bandai being opportunistic (which in a way makes sense admittedly). Show some creativity. The Galaxy Lights armor may not be a big-seller (which is probably why we haven't seen something like that again), but it's more innovative than just throwing in another robo like MagiLegend or DekaWingRobo.

Seems fans are still living in the past and in denial of the change of times.

Kids keep buying all of these "un-needed" extra forms and mecha so it must mean they like them and want them aswell.

HOW DARE THIS JAPANESE KID'S SHOW HAVE ALOT OF TOYS!!!! HOW DARE IT!. :shakefist

:redface2:

Some of you need a good reality check.

Sure they may like them. So what? That means we can't dislike them?

Classic Sentai will ALWAYS be better than the 2000 era.

And yet you will go on and on about how great recent shows are and that "haters" should stop living in the past? Yeah, sure.

 

[Fantasy Leader]

I think what Forever Knight means is that Post-Timeranger Sentai aren't as good as the Changeman-Timeranger Era. But 2000s Sentai still aren't bad. Just not as good as the older seasons. But are still passable and enjoyable to watch. That's how I see it.

 

[Sage Shinigami]

Blast Buggy is like TetraBoy, which is the appeal it has. If anything DekaWingRobo is the redundant mecha. If it had been a single piece mecha or something besides just another five-piece robo, that would be one thing. But just because the team gets a power-up doesn't mean they need a new mecha to go with it. Look at Gingaman. So what if it flies, that's not exactly novel among Sentai robos.

Ehhh...one piece mecha generally suck, though.

BlastBuggy isn't interesting. DekaWingRobo is. And honestly,while normally I just disagree with you, here I'm having trouble with your logic.

So, the team receives a power-up, but you think they should...stay in the same mecha? ...Why? Their power-up should be reflected in giant mode. If not in a Lights of Ginga mode, then in a new gattai robo. Just because a lot of toys makes things watered down...that doesn't mean we should be against toys entirely.

MagiLegend can go though. MagiKing looked like a wizard, which fit the theme wonderfully. MagiLegend...was just another Sentai robo. They should've made a cooler, "advanced" version of MagiKing. Keep the hat, give him a cloak.


Edit: Depends on what series you're talking about, Fantasy Leader. I mean, it could just be that Maskman wasn't for me...but with the exception of Go-Onger, every series I've seen in 2000 is superior to Maskman IMO.