KR X SS: Superhero Taisen Movie - Talk Up! [THREAD TITLE FIXED TO BE MORE CLEAR]

[NeonZ]

But leaving the representation of the villains aside, DaiShocker and DaiZangyack presence in the film is rather limited, all the focus goes to Marvelous and Tsukasa so the big organizations never become a credible threat, and because of that the "big reveal" at the end about them joining forces comes off more as a last ditch attemtp to save face rather than as part of a bigger evil scheme.

That's the main problem of these "heroes are evil!" plots used by some of these crossover movies to me. They generally have to give a lot of focus to the evil heroes in the beginning, so, by the end, when they become heroes again, there isn't anyone left with proper build up on the villain cast.

That's one of the reasons I really wished they'd just use the whole "second, evil Decade" idea from the original Climax Heroes game and the original teaser for Movie Wars 2010. They'd have the obligatory hero goes evil bit, but wouldn't need to make him defect. He could stay as the main villain until the ending and just be killed off there as a separate character from the heroic version... Still, these crossover movies for some reason seem to always avoid using an evil Rider as the main villain, so I guess it isn't likely.

 

[Ivanhobe]

That's the main problem of these "heroes are evil!" plots used by some of these crossover movies to me. They generally have to give a lot of focus to the evil heroes in the beginning, so, by the end, when they become heroes again, there isn't anyone left with proper build up on the villain cast.

I can agree with this, and i actually think that the whole "Heroes are Evil" has become overused by this point.

Just looking at the last few years, in Goseiger vs Shinkenger we had Takeru going evil by means of brainwash, in the 199 heroes movie the BlackCross King turned the super sentai power against the Gokaigers/Goseigers and in Gokaiger vs. Go-Busters the Gokaigers have gone evil. If they keep this up by the time we get Kyouruger vs Go-Busters we will see the Go-busters infected by messia or something.

Kamen Rider Decade is kind of an exception to this since being "evil" is part of his story, given how Kamen Rider Origins usually work the fact that a Rider with the powers of Decade was born of the ultimate Evil Organization Makes sense.

In any other case this rarely works since it is usually a "one time evil" thing, it is a cool plot but you can only use it so many times before it looses its impact, and in the case of SHT it kind of hurt the movie since they made it the focus of the whole thing leaving actual threatening villains to the side.

 

[Solari]

^ I think it's from the VS movies having at least one team-vs-team battle...

 

[Ivanhobe]

Maybe it is, but many Sentai Vs movies focus on the characters meeting and having conflicting personalities, something that, while silly, it seems way more interesting to me than having the heroes brainwashed.

 

[ultratwilight]

Maybe it is, but many Sentai Vs movies focus on the characters meeting and having conflicting personalities, something that, while silly, it seems way more interesting to me than having the heroes brainwashed.

I agree.

 

[Lynxara]

^ I think it's from the VS movies having at least one team-vs-team battle...

You can trace this back farther than Super Sentai, even. The basic pattern of "fight, then team up" when two superheroes meet is a superhero cliche that goes back to 1960s comics, and maybe a little earlier. You could almost say it's a fundamental part of the genre by now.

The "evil heroes (but not really)" plots are clearly Toei's ways of getting characters to fight who, otherwise, would really have no motivation to do so. I think that's what is dissatisfying about them. Everyone would enjoy the fight better if Toei came up with more distinct reasons for it to happen.

Even something as basic as "Ohranger and Carranger get into a fight because they just don't like the other team's attitude" or "Bladerun turns Shinken Red into an evil pawn by seizing control of the Gedoushuu" are more interesting, because they play upon fundamental traits of the characters and shows.