Kamen Rider OOO Rumor/Picture Thread

[Yoona]

Oh, grow up. She has no personality. Her only role in the show as is Eiji's emotional support and possible/probable future love interest. And it is not good writing - a lead should do something useful and their role should not be dependent upon what another character does

While I see the point you're making here (a loose adaptation of the Bechdel Test, it seems, that female characters should serve a purpose beyond developing male characters) and even agree with it to a point, I rather think that you're punishing Hina (and countless other female characters) far more harshly because she's a woman.

What is Ankh's role if not to provide Eiji with exposition and the means to transform? What is Kougami's role if not to introduce the various gadgets into the show? I understand that these characters were not created in a vacuum, and yes, sometimes there will be sexist (or racist or classist or whatever) influences on a character and being penalised or accused of "spoiling people's fun" for pointing it out is majorly sucky. But I feel like you've gone veering off wildly in the other direction, and now you just hate 99.9% of all female characters because they don't fit into your narrow definition of what a "worthy" female character is. This is not feminism. This is just more hatred of women under a different guise and though you're obviously entitled to express your opinions in a public forum, I am getting tired of seeing you insult huge swathes of women, not just fictional but real women (because shy women, demure women, women who like cooking, women who don't always speak up, they all exist in real life too) every time you post.

To come back on-topic! The fact is, Hina is more than just emotional support. Girl's got her own life, her own friends, her own views. When Eiji tries to protect her from Ankh, she steps in and says "hell no, I don't need you to do that, I can do it myself!"

Heck, we know more about her and her life than we know about Eiji.

 

[Burkion]

Doesn't matter. Any adherence to the "women should be quiet and demure!" line is sexist.

...no it's not. Well, yes, but I'm saying no for a different reason-I didn't say anything about that.

Like at all.

I did not say-She HAD to be quiet and demure. ...in fact I never said anything about anyone any WHERE being demure.

In my entire hour being here, I have not once said, nor thought of, a character being better by being demure.

So, failure on your part there buddy. That's a one.

Second, you're taking what I said out of context.

Well you're not even taking what I said, period. You're taking what you want to be what I said out of your own context, and frankly that's an amazing feat in ignorance. Good job.

I said, quiet clearly, I enjoy Hina for being a quiet YET STRONG character. I have a lot of faith that she can and will smack down a Greed or three before all is said and done, as we've seen with her and Ankh, she does not take bullshit.

She's very kind, but she draws a line. And she draws that line with kicking ass.

Ruin whose mood, anyway?

The scene they are in. "Tense dramatic stuff-LAUGHING PRESSURE POINT! annoying laughter and...."

"Sho trying to be badass, or at least man up....-SLIPPER SLAP!"

I'll note, however.

I vastly preferred the slipper slap. Double was far more of an actual comedy then Decade, and a far better told story in general. I have issues with both, but their leading ladies barely factor into it. I like Akkiko as a character, and she wasn't nearly as bad as Natsumi, who was just annoying to me.

Because of the two, Natsumi wrecked far more scenes that SHOULD have played out normally...before just becoming some damsal in distress. Which you pointed out. She had false strength, which is the worst aspect a female character can have in my opinion.

Between you and all the whiners who keep going "I DON'T WANT ANOTHER SCREECHY LOUD RED RANGER IN NEXT YEAR'S SENTAI" I can't believe anyone here has the nerve to complain about underdeveloped characters. When a character comes along that can actually speak up for himself/herself, nobody likes them

Er, what does that have to do with the topic at hand? I...am lost.

That has nothing to do with anything....unless you're supporting Hina as an underdeveloped character?

Unlike Akkiko, who was very well developed, and got good focus through out.

Oh, grow up. She has no personality. Her only role in the show as is Eiji's emotional support and possible/probable future love interest. And it is not good writing - a lead should do something useful and their role should not be dependent upon what another character does

Don't forget she's also the sister of a main character('s body), and has MAJOR emotional ties to another (techincally) seperate main character, Ankh, and will likely help to develop his character, ontop of developing her own.


And I've already mentioned why she has a personality.

Before she really knew Eji, she was already going out to start her own life, getting a job, and, that's right, supporting the rich bitch from that one episode despite her being horrible.

Hina is a STRONG character.

But she's also a secondary character in a series that is barely 12 episodes in.

Akkiko, for the record, never got ANY development, or at least a real focus episode, until episode 13 or so.

Give it time.

Hina may surprise....

Well I doubt you, you seem oddly stubborn on this, which is why I predict you'll continue to label me sexist, and continue to claim she has no personality in the face of the fact that she, infact, does....

But she may surprise SOME.

I especially look forward to her bitch slapping Uva.

 

[lazycoconut]

While I see the point you're making here (a loose adaptation of the Bechdel Test, it seems, that female characters should serve a purpose beyond developing male characters)

Come to think of it, OOO would pass the Bechdel Test - Chiyoko hiring Hina counts

and even agree with it to a point, I rather think that you're punishing Hina (and countless other female characters) far more harshly because she's a woman.

There are very few, if any male characters in toku whose only purpose is to be a love interest. We don't even get the type of male character that is the hero's best friend/sidekick and just exists to take orders from him. Anyone who might fill that role is usually another Ranger or Rider

What is Ankh's role if not to provide Eiji with exposition and the means to transform? What is Kougami's role if not to introduce the various gadgets into the show?

Ankh's also an antagonist, not just to Eiji, but the other Greeed, and Gotou. Kougami markets the gadgets to the viewer

...But I feel like you've gone veering off wildly in the other direction, and now you just hate 99.9% of all female characters because they don't fit into your narrow definition of what a "worthy" female character is.

My "definition" is that any character should have their own purpose, not be dependent on someone else, and (in a toku) actually be able to fight - life saving is more important than looking pretty. Female characters aren't often written that way - we expect women to rely on a man

I am getting tired of seeing you insult huge swathes of women, not just fictional but real women (because shy women, demure women, women who like cooking, women who don't always speak up, they all exist in real life too) every time you post.

The real world is set up to tell women they belong in the kitchen and to serve men. Japan is especially bad on this scale.

To come back on-topic! The fact is, Hina is more than just emotional support. Girl's got her own life, her own friends, her own views. When Eiji tries to protect her from Ankh, she steps in and says "hell no, I don't need you to do that, I can do it myself!"

Her purpose on the show is to support Eiji, not Ankh. She's only ever rude or bitchy to Ankh (not that he's all sweetness and light himself, no

Heck, we know more about her and her life than we know about Eiji.

The hero is normally allowed to be mysterious. Shoutarou on Double has had a whole show and we still know hardly anything about his background

...I said, quiet clearly, I enjoy Hina for being a quiet YET STRONG character. I have a lot of faith that she can and will smack down a Greed or three before all is said and done, as we've seen with her and Ankh, she does not take bullshit.

Please don't tell me you're going for the "women have emotional strength, men have physical strength!" dynamic. That's not true, and it's been done to death.

That has nothing to do with anything....unless you're supporting Hina as an underdeveloped character?

My point being that people complain about "underdeveloped characters" in toku, but as soon as we get a vocal or opinionated character, they complain.

...Don't forget she's also the sister of a main character('s body), and has MAJOR emotional ties to another (techincally) seperate main character, Ankh, and will likely help to develop his character, ontop of developing her own.

All she's ever done so far is mouth off around Ankh. She's two-faced - she does the cutesy act when Eiji or her boss is around, then drops it

...Before she really knew Eji, she was already going out to start her own life, getting a job, and, that's right, supporting the rich bitch from that one episode despite her being horrible.

It doesn't matter. in context of the show, the connection had already been established

...Akkiko, for the record, never got ANY development, or at least a real focus episode, until episode 13 or so.

She did - the Sweets Dopant arc was episodes 7-8

...I especially look forward to her bitch slapping Uva.

... We'll see.

 

[Darkster]

Here's the thing:

Making long posts in the Rumor Thread to express your opinions on characters which usually happens in the Talk Up! thread does not make them correct. :thumbs:

 

[GekiDan]

Here's the thing:

Making long posts in the Rumor Thread to express your opinions on characters which usually happens in the Talk Up! thread does not make them correct. :thumbs:

Wait for Lynx to post here and we'll burn our eyes with walls of texts... :169:

 

[Darkster]

About that...

I'm not reading large posts now. I keep reading the same thing like ten times in a minute, so no...

 

[GekiDan]

About that...

I'm not reading large posts now. I keep reading the same thing like ten times in a minute, so no...

Same here. I merely glancing if I could some news to blog about.

 

[Darkster]

No news here today. :sweat:

 

[lazycoconut]

Anyone able to dig up that stuff from a few weeks back about Kazari being Birth? Now we know from next week's preview that he will have something going on with Maki, but there were other rumours from the same source. Wasn't that the same guy who pitched the idea of Ankh not being the real Ankh or something? That would actually be interesting

 

[Darkster]

I found it easier to search GekiDan's post on JEFusion than here.

http://www.jefusion.com/2010/11/kazari-kougami-foundation-alliance.html