Kamen Rider New Universe Theory

[Toku Prime]

I got the impression that the Den-O wasn't affected at all. Just some tweaks here and there, but nothing severe. Even after watching Den-O (and its movies) and Decade (and its movies) several times...I still got the same impression that Den-O was barely affected by anything Decade did.:sly:

Well things did change. The normal Den-O show ends with the future the Imagin come from being deleted and Ryutaro is in his older form. I don't count the Kiva crossover as part of the show's continuity (it didn't fit with Kiva, why should it fit with Den-O?) and the third Den-O film straight up says these are all dead, defeated foes rather than new ones. But in Decade more Imagin are returning from the future again and Ryutaro has become younger (which, when it happened to Hana, was described as something that required a massive disruption to the timeline). They basically negated the finale of Den-O.

You could just say it's just an altered timeline to the original show, but I'd say a new timeline is a different continuity in all but name. The fact that everything in the Decade-altered timeline is labelled as "New Den-O" implies that the makers regard it as being a different beast.

Having just watched MegaMax today, it struck me that they basically had an OOO story about Ankh and an evil Rider coming back from the future, a Fourze story about Gentaro falling in love with an alien girl, and then tried to create some kind of framing device featuring Double and the Seven Legendaries in order to stick the two stories together. As always with Rider movies, it's one gigantic middle finger to the very idea of continuity.

 

[Kamen Rider ShinkenRed]

Chill dude. At least this one did a better job than Core did.

In regard to what NeonZ said about Decade's ending clearly established the worlds had split again, I actually hold that as part of my idea for the fused world continuity. Let's say that Natsumi's world is also Double's world and the world of the Showa Riders. Prior to any world merging this world exists as purely those stories as originally established. However, the world W returns to after the worlds are restored is different, in a few subtle ways. Say how in Infinite Crisis the New Earth prior to Alexander Luthor's whole 'break the universe back into the multiverse plan' and the New Earth that remains when the universes all collapse into eachother are said to be two different universes. Similar, but different. Here it works like that, except the world that remains after all the other worlds are removed for it has been changed instead, both with the additions of the Riders not previously part of that world (so most of Heisei up to that point), as well as changing parts of the established history, so now it was always Llumu Qhimil rather than the original Ten-faced Demon, Apollo Geist always looked like he did in Decade, things lie that. It also means some elements of the AR worlds and originals are mixed, so while Daguva exists (as per Superhero Taisen), Gamio is also present (as per LGKR), Kiva uses Zanvat in Kiva Form etc.

As for the Den-O question, I argue all the Cho Den-O movies take place in the Decade AR version, and the original (which happened is in the 'World 1') had it's last appearance was Final Countdown, and there's no Ryotaro to contradict that in LGKR or Superhero Taisen.

 

[Alternate Trigger]

Then how do we explain this world where riders were previously separated. I guess you could say that it was the showa era world just back from long hiatus, but that still doesn't explain how in movies like ooo & den-o, how every single previous rider showed up.

 

[FreedomR8G6B1]

Then how do we explain this world where riders were previously separated. I guess you could say that it was the showa era world just back from long hiatus, but that still doesn't explain how in movies like ooo & den-o, how every single previous rider showed up.

For every time I watch Den-O...it feels like the Denliner less like the DeLorean and more like the TARDIS.

After watching "I Am Born" several times already. I'm beginning to believe that.:sly:

And the part that doesn't help is the fact that Kabuto has the Hyper Zecter, Kiva has Castle Doran's Time Gate, and Decade has that dimensional curtain...hence I call them the "Time Lord" Riders.

Wonder how all one can unite all toku heroes? Everyone has a free pass on the Denliner.:shakefist

PS: ...and this is how Akibaranger will be an "official" sentai...cause stuff like this.

 

[Alternate Trigger]

We also keep coming back to den o but fact of the matter is, he still got killed just like all the other riders, going back to the question, is a singularity point still a singularity point if he's dead?

 

[FreedomR8G6B1]

We also keep coming back to den o but fact of the matter is, he still got killed just like all the other riders, going back to the question, is a singularity point still a singularity point if he's dead?

You have to consider the fact that Den-O's severe case of Time Loop is more jacked up than the Time Vent.

....going back to the question, is a singularity point still a singularity point if he's dead?

I don't think you can even kill them...even with the power of the "christ".:sly:

 

[Alternate Trigger]

Okay, so then lets look at our documented worlds then.

As far as i know all the showa era riders took place in the same universe. We'll call this Earth 1

Next we have Kuuga and Agito in Earth 2

Ryuki has three worlds, one for the series, one for the movie and one for the hyper battle video. We'll call these the Ryuki worlds. R-1 R-2 and R-3

Same thing with Blade having multiple worlds. B-1, B-2 and i never saw the hyper battle video for that one so i don't know if it's cannon.

Faiz had two worlds. F-1 and F-2

Kabuto had K-1 and K-2

Hibiki i've never watched so i don't know about that.

Den-o as far as what i have seen has and always will be one universe. I also refuse to take the argument that something isn't canon just because we didn't like it so the crossover movie proves that kiva shares the same universe.

We'll call this Earth 3

Decade is where things get weird. Decade visits multiple worlds that are similar but not the same as the original series worlds. We'll call these Decade Worlds or DC-Kuuga, DC-Agito etc. However the den-o world that is visited by decade is in fact the original decade since we have all the same actors except for the main character who has regressed to a younger age. We also have Blade show up at the end but it's most likely Blade from the movie universe since he doesn't use a joker belt to henshin. sooooo all in all we have a lot of freaking universes.

what we are trying to figure out now is where this new connected universe is. We'll call it World X since the main evil of this world seems to be Foundation X.

 

[Shynilyte]

I haven't really seen the Ryuki series but, couldn't the 13 Riders special fit as part of the time loops from the show?

Also, the Blade from the end of Decade could still be series Blade.I mean, it's possible that he got his deck back or something. Plus, personality-wise, he seems a bit different than he was during the series, so that could be an effect of being Joker for so long.

 

[FreedomR8G6B1]

Riders that exist in the same continuity...sort of.

Ichigo to Black RX
ZO and J
Kuuga and Agito
W, OOO, and Fourze

Let's focus on the Riders that a capable of dimension/time jumping...

Ryuki - Advent Decks
Kabuto - Hyper Zecter
Den-O - Denliner
Kiva - Castle Doran
Decade - He's just being Jesus:sly:

Ryuki, Kabuto, and Kiva's capabilities seem limited (same can be said about Kamen Rider Aqua's abilties), while Decade is more random and out of control; Den-O seems to be the rider capable of doing anything without limitations despite what happens outside the time field.

This brings up another question though...is the Timeranger's abilties on par with what Den-O is capable of doing? IMHO...maybe.:sly:

 

[Alternate Trigger]

what is with all this love for den-o :shakefist