Kamen Rider Agito - Talk Up!

[Keith Justice]

Order.........confirmed.

Now.... I wait. h34r:

Here's to looking forward to what I hope to be an outstanding KR experience. Hope the ending is better than that of Ryuki and Faiz and at least as satisfying as Blade.

 

[Forever Knight]

Ryuki's ending >>> All.

 

[Shougo B'Stard]

Ryuki's ending >>> All.

:shakefist That's just so very wrong. :shakefist I think even Faiz's nothing of a finale is better than Ryuki's ruining-the-entire-series-lame-ass-cop-out. Ryuki easily has title of worst finale, in my book. Of not just Rider, but tokusatsu.

Anyway, JC, Agito has a nice finale. I'll admit that what I had in my head was something much more epic and big scale, so I felt a little letdown the first time around, but it wraps up the series nicely. What I think let me down the most was that I thought that Agito could have definitely been one of the rare tokusatsu shows to run for another year (or at least half a year) and there were so many more interesting concepts planted, but they tied them up quickly to end it on time for 2002's Kamen Rider Highlandeer as Folk. :disappoin

 

[Tenraisenpuujin]

See, here's the thing about Ryuki's ending.

Spoiler

I don't see it as a copout at all, anymore than Blade's was. They alluded to the fact that Shiro had tried to save Yui before and had in fact "reset history" several times (which kind of makes 13 Riders and Episode Final in continuity, but from previous Ryuki timelines). In the end, Shinji made the only choice that he could have to prevent things from resetting again. Saying it ruined the entire series kind of misses the point of Shinji's decision, which fixed everything as well as it could-- and since Shinji's whole motivation is that he wants everyone to be safe and happy, it makes perfect sense to me.

I personally really liked it, but it seems to be pretty polarizing.

 

[Keith Justice]

See, here's the thing about Ryuki's ending.

Spoiler

I don't see it as a copout at all, anymore than Blade's was. They alluded to the fact that Shiro had tried to save Yui before and had in fact "reset history" several times (which kind of makes 13 Riders and Episode Final in continuity, but from previous Ryuki timelines). In the end, Shinji made the only choice that he could have to prevent things from resetting again. Saying it ruined the entire series kind of misses the point of Shinji's decision, which fixed everything as well as it could-- and since Shinji's whole motivation is that he wants everyone to be safe and happy, it makes perfect sense to me.

I personally really liked it, but it seems to be pretty polarizing.

Huh..... I never looked at it like that. When you put it like that, I could be more forgiving. But I liked the 13 Rider Special eding... mostly.

I really would've liked to see a final throwdown and the final destruction of whatever was created the madness.

How's the movie for Agito in comparison to the Faiz and Ryuki movie?

 

[FreedomR8G6B1]

See, here's the thing about Ryuki's ending.

Spoiler

I don't see it as a copout at all, anymore than Blade's was. They alluded to the fact that Shiro had tried to save Yui before and had in fact "reset history" several times (which kind of makes 13 Riders and Episode Final in continuity, but from previous Ryuki timelines). In the end, Shinji made the only choice that he could have to prevent things from resetting again. Saying it ruined the entire series kind of misses the point of Shinji's decision, which fixed everything as well as it could-- and since Shinji's whole motivation is that he wants everyone to be safe and happy, it makes perfect sense to me.

I personally really liked it, but it seems to be pretty polarizing.

I agree with you, but just the way it presented itself messed it up. If it the show was retitled Kamen Rider Knight then it would make more sense because it began with Ren and ended with Ren.

 

[Keith Justice]

Should've been, Kamen Rider 13.

 

[Judge Faiz]

Just poppin in to say that Agito is a GREAT series!! Even with the crappy HK subs I have. And wait till you see the jellyfish Unknown Keith...that thing freaked the HELL out of me!! :laugh:
Oh...and the female cop that works w/ G3...HUBBA HUBBA!!!

I haven't seen Agito's G4 in awhile, but I do remember liking it very much.

-RF

 

[Shougo B'Stard]

How's the movie for Agito in comparison to the Faiz and Ryuki movie?

I think Project G4's the best of the Rider movies -- it's nice to have a Rider movie that isn't an alternate universe type thing. I hope you bought the Director's Cut -- that's the way to see the movie.

If it the show was retitled Kamen Rider Knight then it would make more sense because it began with Ren and ended with Ren.

The finale I pictured was a little more "typical" and I guess they wanted an "unexpected" finale, but I think sometimes these writers get in over their heads by trying to be "different" rather than go the "predictable" or logical route.

The premise is Riders murdering each other for a wish. Ren's a cold guy, who's deep down a nice guy, but to save his love, he loses himself in the cold guy, hoodlum persona. The overall important piece of the series' theme is that lovable doof Shinji gradually changes Ren to be the good person he really is. We see that with how he helps from time to time, how he cries of Shinji's death...

I would have liked for Ren to have actually learned something from Shinji -- for him to have beaten Odin and changed his wish from only saving Eri to either unwishing the events of the series or having wished the mirror world never existed/been opened. The twist to that is that Ren would have maintained his memories of the events, while nobody else would -- so his friendships with people like Shinji and Yui no longer exist. It's basically the same finale, but instead of making it the choice of the Kanzakis, it's the choice of Ren. As the series is, Ren's just remained a selfish ass, continuing on with his wish.

It just would have been nice for the series to say something and be a little heroic in the end. As I've said before -- instead of the real finale, I just pretend that Episode Final's the real finale. As flawed as that movie is, I liked how it was done more than the series. Especially the Bruce Lee marching-into-the-center-of-battle end.

 

[Keith Justice]

Meh.... felt it was another non-ending. I need closure. I want to see the final lesson being taken into the final climax for resolution.

I loved my time with Takumi and Kusake and Keitaro and Mari.... great cast... Kiba too. But the end was just so non-existant.

Blade, so far, has been my best experience since it sewed everything up. I got a strong final fight and struggle and an ending.

I also like a final clash between the hero and the villian as the battle against each others convictions to see who in the end is finally right and who becomes elightened.

I need the spiritual question of a story answered.