If you were to rewrite Kamen Rider Kiva

[raden238]

Well, the Emperor Form spam was due to practical reasons, specifically that the base Kiva suit was a NIGHTMARE to film in, being exceedingly hot and heavy. At least, that's what I've heard as the reason behind it's lack of use.

Really? That's some interesting trivia. To me visually Emperor Form and Kiva Form look about the same in terms of bulkiness. I just thought the writers took the whole Emperor Form being the "true form of Kiva" thing too seriously and featured it in the series more than the default suit because of that.

 

[SamuraiEchidna]

(I am sure someone most likely said this between the previous 14 pages, but I'll go ahead and say it myself)

If there was anything I'd change about Kiva, it'd be one simple thing...

GET RID OF THE TIME TRAVELING DOOR!

Let's face it. We all know why it's there.
They were copying Den-O
The makers of this show were so intimidated by Den-O's success that they just HAD to try and copy Den-O, thus forcing this time door element down our throats and making it a regular part of the show that will tie in with the finale. That aspect just brings the whole show down.

Think About It!
We could have gotten a show where one minute we see Otoya creating his own legacy, and the next we see Wataru finding clues of how his father lived and dealt with the same problems he is currently facing. We could see Nago and Megumi learning from the examples Otoya and Yuri left behind. Clues and pieces of the past, forgotten and hidden yet still left behind to be discovered, all coming together to shape the present. You want the inherited system of IXA to mean something? You want to have that meaningful father-son bond that crosses the boundaries of time? THAT'S HOW YOU DO IT!

Also, umm... Plot Hole? :eyebrow:
I know it's tampering with time and no one willingly wants to do that, but if you've got a door to the past, can't you use it to find a way to permanently stop the villains so they'll never become a problem in the present in the first place?

All I know is, I was okay with the time door at first, until we saw Wataru try to pseudo-abort himself in the past. WTF man?!?! Seriously?!?! After everything you went through, you do a complete 180 in character development and pull a stunt like THAT?! :O_O:
That's where the show lost me. I. Was. DONE!
It was badly executed, came out of nowhere, and it was the worst symptom of an even greater problem that this show never should have had to begin with.

So yeah, in conclusion, that's it. Get rid of the time door and write the story as if it was never going to be there in the first place. Make Wataru an actual character that has a real reformation moment where he decides to rise up as a hero of justice, not some winy brat who tries to commit temporal suicide. I have NO TOLERANCE for "heroes" like this. If you're gonna be a Rider, you better learn to grow a pair, son! Nago's journey was WAY more interesting to follow, and it's a SAD day in Kamen Rider history when the Secondary Rider's story is better than the Starring Rider that show is named after. :nono:

If you HAVE to have the time door thing, keep it for the movie only. Write it off as a one-time-use-only thing for each generation of Kiva; the door then vanishes after it completes its mission and is never to be seen again until Wataru's son eventually takes up the mantle of Kiva and so on. Why not? I mean, it's not like the series ever acknowledged the events of the movie. It actually clashes with the canon, if anything.

[HIDE]Just an after thought...

I am not sure WHAT I expected with Kamen Rider Kiva.
Maybe the Devil May Cry/Final Fantasy/Hellsing version of Kamen Rider, but that is NOT what we got. Looking back now, it was pretty stupid to have that kind of expectation in a 2008 TV show for kids, but still!

And just to drive it home, I try not to be too critical of things. I'm usually easy to please, I can change my mind frame, and I enjoyed the majority of Kiva's series. But that time traveling door... Just no. :170:[/HIDE]

 

[HenshinSlayer]

Any way to turn Kiva into something Castlevania and Vampire diaries?

If there was a true antagonist it should be the first Kiva based on Dracula.

Otoya would be the Gabriel Belmont of Kiva while Wataru would be the Alucard.

Bishop seems like Death.

 

[Painted_Outlaw]

can't you use it to find a way to permanently stop the villains so they'll never become a problem in the present in the first place?

You could but, that's like asking.. how come the Gaoranger never went to the Org hideout and smashed it so, no new Orgs could be made. :laugh: Just weird toku logic.

 

[Toku Prime]

Really? That's some interesting trivia. To me visually Emperor Form and Kiva Form look about the same in terms of bulkiness. I just thought the writers took the whole Emperor Form being the "true form of Kiva" thing too seriously and featured it in the series more than the default suit because of that.

Yeah I've heard similar things about the base Kiva suit supposedly being very restrictive for the suit actor wearing it.
I always wondered if it was because the base suit has quite a big, round helmet and a large collar. You look up, you bang the back of your head on the collar. You jerk your head around as if receiving a punch, you bang the side of your head on the collar (and so on). Given how tiny the eye holes tend to be, you only need to shift the helmet a little to move them into the wrong place and suddenly you're in the middle of an action scene, you can't see at all, and you end up running straight into a fist that was meant to miss you by several inches.

 

[HenshinSlayer]

Maybe the base suit was a bad design and should've made something lighter to make it look menacing like a vampire.