How do you feel about Double so far?

Very impressive, it has not reached the brilliancy of early Heisei era, but nonetheless.

I love the characters, the plot development, the subtext social commentary, the esoteric themes (which go unnoticed by most fans).

A really solid show that has the potential to basically redeem KR after its disastrous attempts at making a show (i.e. Den-O and Decade).

Very satisfied so far.
 
For lack of better phrasing, I don't think I've ever been so split over a Rider series.

Aw come on Igadevil...you gotta give us more than that. You always give the most insight on all things Rider--making me (and others, I'm sure) look at things in a different light.
 
W's been the first Rider I've enjoyed since Ryuki (well, at least before Ryuki went off the rails). I'm worried that Accel will screw things up, though.

I really like Hasegawa's episodes. He writes more interesting cases, while keeping the show's quirkiness and not going overboard with it.
 
I really like Hasegawa's episodes. He writes more interesting cases, while keeping the show's quirkiness and not going overboard with it.
Pretty much agree with this, the episodes I like the best are the ones penned by Hasegawa, he seems to really make the show a lot more interesting to me than anything I've seen Sanjo.
 
I've enjoyed it. Don't think I've enjoyed a series like this since Den-O. Hopefully Accel doesn't screw things up...
 
There are a lot of things I love about Double, and a lot of things I don't. I like that it's taking a more old-school approach to a lot of the material (motorcycle action, keeping the focus on actual superhero stuff rather than inane melodrama and zany misadventures, and Double wears a scarf!), I love the character designs for Double and the kaijin, and I love the action scenes. I like the pacing of the show - it's very good at making you feel like things are actually, consistently developing, while still not showing its hand too early. I remain ambivalent on form-changing just as a concept, but it feels more organic here than in any other Rider series I've seen. And being a fan of film noir, I really like the idea of a Raymond Chandler-style "hard-boiled" Rider, though that's not really what this show is.

The things that I don't like are...well, every character who's not Shotaro or a villain. Shotaro is totally cool most of the time - but I find everyone around him to be hideously annoying. Including Phillip. I am so God damn sick of amnesiac characters that it's gotten to the point where I automatically dismiss any character with no memories who isn't Jason Bourne. And Phillip is most definitely not Jason Bourne. Akiko and the Futo Irregulars are obvious targets, and I cringe every time the cop characters show up, too. But I will say this: Akiko has been getting better ever since that scene in the Sweets Dopant story arc where she and Shotaro have that (very brief) heart-to-heart about her father. She still spends way too much time mugging for the camera for my tastes, but she's starting to show some actual depth (and that scene with the rope in the second Arms Dopant episode was pretty hardcore), so I'm becoming more willing to go along with her character's development. Phillip still annoys me, but he's getting better, too. So even though they still grate a little, the show is gradually winning me over with at least those characters.

Basically, when the show is playing it straight, it's really, really good, but when it's trying to be WWWAAAAACKYYYYYY, I kind of hate it. Case in point: I found every single aspect of the "Heaven's Tornado" arc to be so repellent that I flat-out gave up on the show after watching it. (Though only for a while; I did eventually come back, and am now glad that I have.) Fortunately, the writers seem to be in the process of putting aside the wackiness so they can focus more on the things that the show is actually good at, and that's most definitely for the best.
 
Aw come on Igadevil...you gotta give us more than that. You always give the most insight on all things Rider--making me (and others, I'm sure) look at things in a different light.

That's the hard part! I sat here for about 10 minutes trying to think of how to put it to words. I don't want to give the impression that I don't like it, because I do. But at the same time...

Basically, it's very very good, and yet that's all there is. Decade, even at its worst, always kept my interest. There was always something to talk about, and it was fun to watch (for me.) I personally think that the fact that it splits opinions so much is sort of a credit to the show- it did some things that people didn't like, and it took some risks. For some they paid off, for others it fell flat on its face. Some people hate the show. I can see why, but I can't say I'm one of them.

Double, by contrast, seems to be pleasing most everyone. At least, I've yet to see really harsh criticism of it. But it's hard for me to sit down and write about an episode though because it feels like there's almost nothing going on. Stuff happens, the story's progressing, yeah, but I don't really feel drawn into it the way I have with pretty much every other series so far. Outside of the Begins Night movie, which worked because it went back to the most interesting thing in the show so far- the opening scene. There was also some real personal weight there, which we've only occasionally gotten in the series (I will say this: I really like the more recent episodes, and that's probably largely due to Hasegawa, or at least in Sanjo's last two he had some interesting stuff to tackle.)

With past shows, the flaws were somehow more obvious. There's a bit of clumsy writing, or a daft performance. I can tell you what I didn't like about them. It's harder with Double, and that might be because it's still ongoing. So far it's a well-constructed show, but there's still something not clicking with me like it is with others.

I like the two leads. Philip is weird, but that's the character, and his actor's great (though I'd have loved for them to go even further.) Akiko I don't mind- I think they're trying for a retread of Natsumi with the slipper thing, which doesn't really work, because that character trait (Character A hits Character B for being stupid) can grow old really fast. Notice how they phased it out over time in Decade, only bringing it back near the end. But when Akiko's in the serious stuff, she's great. I liked her in #9 & 10 especially.

Most of the non-villain supporting characters I didn't really care for at the beginning. I still think the Futo Irregulars could all be one character, or I'd have at least dropped Santa and made Shôtarô just already carrying random trinkets on him as a character quirk. I mean with all the Wind Scale clothing, the dude's got a lot of pockets. However, as I said in my Double & Decade review, I do like them a little more now because I can see that they provide the 3 regulars with a sort of extended family. I do wonder how much we're going to see of them now that Accel's coming in though, and he's sure to bring his own side character(s) (speaking of him, I am looking forward to his debut.)

As for the Sonozaki family, they're great, though only recently does it feel like they're getting any attention. In the first few episodes, I barely remember them doing much more than eating or talking on cell phones. I like the dad of course (having a veteran actor always helps raise everyone's game) and Mick rocks. He's one of the things about the show that feels really fresh and new. That's what I love, when I can watch Kamen Rider and say "I haven't seen that before" or "They haven't done that in a while."

And everything else is pretty good. It looks great- I have the feeling that Decade was either a cheaper series to make or they cut the budget and are using it here. The CGI bikes and critters get plenty of screen time. The music's fine. The theme song, it has caught on. Double himself looks cool, and I like all the tech (this show does have some great toys.) They handled the form thing a lot better than I expected. Although I still think of the main 3 (Cyclone-Joker, Heat-Metal, Luna-Trigger) the most, the others all feel memorable in their own way.

The Dopants are a nice change after the grunting, groaning monsters that want to eat us all in some other series, but ironically my favorite one (Virus) is the most primitive so far. And they're following off of Decade and Daishocker, which was just about the most fun Rider villains have been recently (he says, wearing a Daishocker T-shirt.) Anyone could turn up. It's more back-to-business now, though I do like the general idea and I appreciated that they've even addressed the "Gaia Memories = Drugs" thing. That's one element of the show I was hoping they'd touch on, and they have, in as kid-friendly a way as they can.

So I dunno. It's Kamen Rider, so of course I'll keep watching it. But it doesn't quite feel like must-see-TV, just a good show that I'll watch if I happen to be up then or download a couple days later. Which is good, but Kamen Rider has been, and can be, so much more. Maybe I just need to give it a rewatch later, and I'll find something new. It's certainly helped... just about every other series.
 
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^ I highly wholeheartedly agree with you Iga-san.

9/10, an impressive awesome Kamen Rider show that really does so much coolness in the franchise.

Pro's:
- Nicely written story.
- Nicely performed in action.
- Awesome stunts and bike scenes.
- Actors playing their roles ardently.
- The level of coolness gets better and better each episode.
- Modernized approach in transforming the Kamen Rider.
- The Kamen Rider elements are all present (especially to Shotaro's partner Philip who is somewhat reminescent to the old KRs for I think he got what they got.)

Con's:
- CGI rape @ Ep 3 (W VS T-Rex Dopant race scene). Why can't they be like the USA's graphics even at this year?
 
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Igadevil said:
Epic snippage

I think a lot of it has to do that it IS following Decade, a show that despite it's many glaring flaws, was still capable of being an exciting and fun show to watch, though I probably know of many people who will probably disagree.

You either liked the alternate takes on the riders Decade showed, or you had a blast ripping it a new one for "descrating" the memory of the orginals. Story obviously came to not matter, so the show did kinda end up going "You know, what AWESOME thing can we do in this world?" Which for most people is still a memorable TV show. And anything that comes on after it is really going to have a hard time keeping up. Double doesn't contort other riders into rideable toys, He/they arn't facing the comprassion to a final enemy in a rider series every two weeks.

Not that I can really plop down a synposis, but I think it was going to be a hard sell no matter what show followed Decade and it's love for silly randomness.
 
I think a lot of it has to do that it IS following Decade, a show that despite it's many glaring flaws, was still capable of being an exciting and fun show to watch, though I probably know of many people who will probably disagree.

You either liked the alternate takes on the riders Decade showed, or you had a blast ripping it a new one for "descrating" the memory of the orginals. Story obviously came to not matter, so the show did kinda end up going "You know, what AWESOME thing can we do in this world?" Which for most people is still a memorable TV show. And anything that comes on after it is really going to have a hard time keeping up. Double doesn't contort other riders into rideable toys, He/they arn't facing the comprassion to a final enemy in a rider series every two weeks.

Not that I can really plop down a synposis, but I think it was going to be a hard sell no matter what show followed Decade and it's love for silly randomness.

I know how Igadevil feels, I too am still trying to get a feel on W. Same thing happened when both Hibiki & Kiva were going on. It's like trying to get on a new ride after the last one was very exciting.
 

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