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Am I the only one that finds it pretty... Dumb... That a person wants to make a web series but doesn't have the money to make it, and is depending on donations? Isn't that like a few guys forming a fansub group with no translator?

It's not the same thing. A more accurate comparison would be to make a film without having a story or a director or anyone to work on it.

Traditional television / film funding works like this: Creators look for investors who put forth all the money in return for potential future profit off the show. They also want creative control over how their large sums of money are spent out of the not entirely incorrect belief they need to be able to safeguard their investment. We're talking tens of thousands of dollars here.

The reason people make web series is so the people who came up with the show and actually work to make the show retain the creative control. If you do any research into how the industry works you'll see that a lot of "big" decisions about your favorite film or show were forced on the showrunners and screenwriters by network executives and investors who want the films and shows to appeal to who they believe the biggest demographics are. They will even force a show to go another season even if the creators never envisioned the show to keep going. A lot of otherwise good shows have jumped the shark because of this.

I want to be independent and not have someone insist I insert some character just to appeal to whatever demographic they think the show needs to appeal to in order to make them lots of money (a good example is Masked Rider, which was forced to basically have a Jar Jar Binks sidekick for the hero in order to "appeal more to kids"). Or have them own half or all the intellectual rights to show, enabling them to cancel it when it doesn't make them enough money-- or worse, make spinoff shows and merchandise which cheapen the intended story.

I mean, look at the live action Dragon Ball movie that Fox made. Look at the Street Fighter films. Look at almost every single videogame adaption film ever made. These films don't suck because they differ from the stereotypical Hollywood format; they suck because the things they are based on don't conform to the stereotypical Hollywood format and people loved them for that, but the executives forced the screenwriters to make the adaptations conform and that betrayed the audience's expectations.

Hollywood has been trying to do a live action Neon Genesis Evangelion for a few years. I'm positive that when it actually comes out it will be garbage because it won't conform to the narrative arcs Gainax used to create it and contributes to why it was so beloved (I point this out because I'm a big fan of Gainax's work and I wrote GKaiser to follow the same narrative arcs used in their shows like Eva and Gurren Lagann).

Look at some of the adaptions of Super Sentai. The stories are very different, and often not as good, because the Hollywood way of making a "successful children's show" are different. I do not believe anyone mainstream will allow me to make a tokusatsu-style show the way I think it ought to be done.

I'm trying to stay independent so I can make things that I want to make and that I think others want to see. I do not believe I will be allowed to make those kind of stories if I go the traditional route.

Kickstarter is a new kind of fundraising route to allow the audience to decide if they want to see something get made. A lot of people have used it to successfully fund everything from music albums to films to inventions. I decided I would try as well. I've financially tapped myself out getting the project to this point; I've just took out a loan to get the camera. It's not like I'm sitting back and hoping everyone else to pay for everything. Making films is a lot of hard work and to produce something quality so cheaply is harder because I don't have a big money hose for everything.

All I'm asking for is some assistance with the funds needed to get the rest of the props, costumes and 3D artwork that have to be purchased. People who make good props and costumes might work for free but they need materials to work with. Really great 3D model makers and animators...not so much because they have education loans to pay off (it's a very technical skill and I don't know anyone very talented who didn't go to college for it) and they want some kind of monetary reimbursement.

Could I do without these things? No, because the show would no longer be what I envision it to be. The show may be cheaply made but I don't want it to look cheap. I want it to be something that can stand the test of time. It would be like Walt Disney saying it would be okay to not have the absolute best animation in Snow White and the Seven Dwarves, and just settling for whatever his artists could do. That film now stands the test of time because he stuck to his guns and had artists re-draw things until it was right, and took out a loan from the bank (back when banks still loaned money for films) to make it right.

Actually a lot of Walt Disney animations stand the test of time-- even those made before Snow White-- because of Walt's insistence to make quality productions that would stand the test of time. And he was able to insist on quality because unlike other animation studios which were owned by big studios, he was independent.

I'm not saying I want 3D animation on the level of Avatar or tons of explosions everywhere. That's not what will happen here. I'm going for the bare minimum needed to make a quality show that will stand the test of time. We're trying to create a world that does not exist and pays a lot of homage to a genre that is heavily geared around flashy costumes and special effects. I want to do it justice and if possible, do it better than some of the shows which inspired mine. I'm confident it can be done but it will require resources that must be purchased.
 
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So instead of making a short that flexes whatever creative muscles you may have in the most awesome way you could think of in order to convince us to give you money, you make a short that shows us just how well you can shamelessly emulate the Scott Pilgrim movie. Color me exceedingly unimpressed.

Hate to sound like a broken record but I still really don't think you're following the right path here.
 
So instead of making a short that flexes whatever creative muscles you may have in the most awesome way you could think of in order to convince us to give you money, you make a short that shows us just how well you can shamelessly emulate the Scott Pilgrim movie. Color me exceedingly unimpressed.

Hate to sound like a broken record but I still really don't think you're following the right path here.

I'm not surprised. From the very start you've done nothing but bash the project, going so far to make wild assumptions about what you think it is and lecture me on what I need to do when you aren't in any position to give me any kind of advice on how to make a film.

I would say you have completely missed the point of the Scott Pilgrim homage but I don't think you have.

The promo demonstrated that the show isn't going to look like anything you and others have linked to in this thread. Not that the show is going to look like the promo (it's not; it'll be way more stylish) but it should have demonstrated we're at least competent at story-telling and can make something that entertains.

I've tried to be nice as I can be, but I honestly don't know where you have gotten the belief you have a higher level of film-making skill than I do.

Please show me the best looking film you've made that demonstrates you can make a tokusatsu show that even looks as good as the original Ultraman. Hell, show me anything you've made that even compares to the first episode of Ultraman.

I know this isn't a fair request. You don't have anything that compares to it (believe me, I've suffered through every single one of your films). You've yet to create something on that level. But you know what? It's also not fair that you're trying to tell me what is possible with no budget when you've never created anything like this before yourself, even though you've been trying to make a homage to that show for several years.

I've no idea why you're throwing rocks when you live in a glass house. Do you feel threatened by my project or something? If so that's rather silly, but if it's because you sincerely believe your work is vastly better than my own then I think you need a reality check.

There is no such thing as a no budget film. Every film costs money.

Someone paid for the camera, audio equipment, custom costumes, props, and every other thing you see onscreen and don't see behind the scenes.

Even if wasn't purchased specifically for that film, at some point in time there was an exchange of money for that resource.

Some film-makers make projects around only the items they have on hand and don't try to reach for the stars. They call it solving problems creatively. This works to a point but it really depends what you're trying to do; you don't need real blank firing guns and blanks (which has safety concerns and is very expensive) because you can simply paint some toy guns and do the effects in post. However, elaborate costumes are not something you can just pull off the wrack unless you want them to look like they came off a wrack.

I don't know about you but when I can make the costume myself by buying some stuff from Wal-Mart and putting it on completely unaltered it kinda breaks the suspension of disbelief for me.

Do something else you say? Work your way up to being able to make it? I don't need to be told that. That's what I've done with the shorts I've done up to this point. That's what I went to film school for. But ultimately you cannot make the film you want to make unless you make it. If you never try to make a film then you never make it.

Some people are really passionate about making web shows that can be produced with things laying around their house. It's mostly dialogue and what the actors wear doesn't even matter. That's great for them: I enjoy a lot of those shows. I make a game review show like that and I have a lot of fun playing with the cheesiness.

But I'm not satisfied with my creativity so limited by what is sitting around my apartment and my friend's garages; I want to make something I'm truly passionate about. I'm trying to take it to the next level and that has been my plan since I finally got approved for a Youtube Partner account.


I hope you eventually finish your next Ultraman fanfilm, I really do. I can see the potential in it. But I also hope that you realize I'm not trying to make a fan film. Ultimately your project has limited potential because it's a fan film and people will give you a lot of lee way because it's a fan film.

As I've said before, I'm familiar with the other indie web shows that are tokusatsu themed. Megabot, for instance.

Unfortunately, comparing what I'm trying to do to Megabot is rather silly.

This is the set of Megabot
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Which is okay because Megabot is just actors talking in split screen while the Megabot stumbles over his feet occasionally. But that's not what I'm trying to make.

I'm honestly trying to make something more like Battle Hero Absolute, which I have respect for and can see a lot of potential in, but let's face facts here: the first episode doesn't even have 10,000 views. And there are reasons for that and much of it comes down to budget. I'm sure they are aware which is why they raised a budget using Kickstarter.

I want something that will make people think it was put together by Toei. Something that is going to allow me to devote all my time and energy to making the show the best it can be. Something that will let the cast and crew someday be paid for their hard work and even give them steady employment. Something they can be proud of, that I can be proud of, and that many people will love.

I don't need as much money as Toei spends to make something on that level, but I do need some money and it has to come from somewhere.

Someone once told me if you're a fan of something that means you support it. Daikamonohashi, as a fan of this genre I would think you'd want to support people making more shows in the genre instead of trying to derail it.

You're not into what I'm trying to do; I get that.

But don't think for a second you're in any position to lecture me on why I can't make the kind of show I'm trying to make because you are not. I don't believe you have even tried to before.

Go ahead and continue to insist my crew and I cannot do what we say we can do. You're just going to end up with your foot in your mouth and needlessly burning bridges with people you should be trying to befriend.

This show is happening. Whether you want to be apart of its success or not is up to you. But you only get one chance to be part of its success. After that, you're just someone who stood by the sidelines waiting for others to do the work, no different than the duck and the pig in the story of The Wise Little Hen.
 
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Are you guys seriously saying that you can't get $1000 without begging for it? Come one that's only $250 per person and you make it seem like you'd easily be able to get that back from your imaginary dvd and merchandise sales.

You can't make money without money. If you don't want to invest in this yourself then don't do it. $1000 is nothing for what you're saying you're getting for it in the vid.
 
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Speaking as a film-maker, most film-makers work a side job, save up, make a pilot and then acquire funding after they actually have a pilot FILMED related to the project to show.

Stop asking for hand-outs and just do what everyone else does. You're right, there is no such thing as a no budget film. But there is 'a film nobody wants to give a budget to', and that's one where the director has no professional work or selected credits, hell -you hardly even have a portfolio of work. Make something and THEN you might get donations if we want more. That's generally how funding works.

Also I'm fairly sure it's been proven that if it ain't Power Rangers the general populous doesn't want to see western Toku so we'd all just be throwing our money away. :<

EDIT: Oh, and your camera work is awful. Get a properly trained filming crew together. I can't believe you think what you have to offer is on par with Toei.
You're joking, right?

EDIT 2: ..sorry, still watching your video. ..Did you just call all the characters in superhero movies morons? Those characters who've stood the test of time since the 1930s onwards? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!

..also don't call your main hero a 'total loser'. You're meant to SELL HIM to the people you want a budget from.
Also your villain ideas are terrible, not hilarious. 'The Burger Pimp'.. really?

"I want the whole film to look like it was shot in the 1960s. Y'know with good facilities and special effects."

..Really? That's all I can say. You can't even keep your creative vision intact.
Also making a film look low budget 60's movie when you're asking for $6000 is a TERRIBLE idea! The only reason those films don't look like the effects of today is that they weren't feasible at the time. If it were shot today Kamen Rider V3 would have the same effects budget as OOOs, etc.

The whole point of the genre is making the most of current special effects and trickery to make a monster/superhero movie which entertains! Not some crappy retro throwback. If I wanted to watch retro tokusatsu shows, i'd just GO AND WATCH V3.

tl;dr
You don't seem to have anything good to bring to the table, your ideas are terrible, please stop.

If you find funding i'll be honestly disappointed when shows which look like this can't.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzYIy0wkviY&feature=player_embedded#

If anything this has inspired me to find a guy who can translate between me and the directors of the above project and fund that entirely myself than help this. =-=

Seriously man. You're going about this all wrong.
 
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Are you guys seriously saying that you can't get $1000 without begging for it? Come one that's only $250 per person and you make it seem like you'd easily be able to get that back from your imaginary dvd and merchandise sales.

You can't make money without money. If you don't want to invest in this yourself then don't do it. $1000 is nothing for what you're saying you're getting for it in the vid.

We have invested considerably into this. Squeezing another $250 more out of everyone is not a magic solution.

As mentioned on the Kickstarter page, we are shooting on a NEX-VG10 I purchased.

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This is a $2,000 camera. The lenses for it are by no means cheap either; you can buy Sony's lenses or a lens adapter to put other manufacture lenses on it. Even if I borrow some lenses, still need the stupid adapter for that particular brand and that's about $50.

I have a $250 Azden shotgun mike. Unfortunately it has problems because while doing documentary work at a convention some jerk blasted an airhorn into it twice, so it now cuts out spontaneously. This means I need a new mic. I also have the XLR cables, Beachtek adapter and so forth; that stuff cost me money, too.

I guess I could include tripod but we have a cheap one, barely worth mentioning honestly....it shakes and isn't the easiest thing to deal with while operating the lens, but I'm dealing.

Some crew members own equipment, ranging from glidecams to rail systems to portable green and blue screens. We've got licensed After Effects, Final Cut Studio (my copy, actually, which is $999 software btw) and 3ds Max and Logic. I also have EffectsLab and CompositeLab which I use mostly for the stock footage libraries but I prefer After Effects or Motion when it actually matters.

Anyway, I'm also needing to purchase an external microphone recorder because the NEX-VG10 has poor audio controls (you can notice it in the Kickstarter page; believe it or not the audio had horrid hissing in every shot before I did a lot of work on it).

Good audio matters. I'm hoping I can find someone with their own equipment who will work deferred but it's probably unlikely to find someone who has good equipment and will work on deferred pay (a lot of people underestimate how difficult it is to record good audio. It's harder than lighting a shot).

The light kit we used on the promo was actually meant for photography not video. In laymen's terms they aren't bright enough. I did a lot of brightness, color correction and smoothing on that footage to make it look the way it does. Light kits can be rented or purchased; either way, it costs money.

Then there are the props and costumes we've already acquired. Some of it is cheap; some of it's not. Our Kamen Rider does need a ride you know, and it needs to look somewhat superhero-ish. I've got the bike; I don't have it spruced up yet.

Here's the thing though: we're not asking for the money for equipment. We're digging deep for that ourselves.

We're just asking for the money for constructing props, finishing costumes and the 3D art models for making the world and some of the special effect sequences such as the henshin and the special attacks.

An idea of why I want quality 3D models; some of the fight scenes are inspired by Saint Seiya. The hero is dragon themed. I want a 3D dragon incorporated into some of his special moves and henshin sequence. I don't just want to throw lens flares over people and call it a day.
 
Speaking as a film-maker, most film-makers work a side job, save up, make a pilot and then acquire funding after they actually have a pilot FILMED related to the project to show.

This is not how most TV pilots are funded. Most TV pilots are union. You cannot fund union shoots by working part time.

EDIT: Oh, and your camera work is awful. Get a properly trained filming crew together. I can't believe you think what you have to offer is on par with Toei.
You're joking, right?

EDIT 2: ..sorry, still watching your video. ..Did you just call all the characters in superhero movies morons? Those characters who've stood the test of time since the 1930s onwards? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!

Not only am I sure that's not what I said (If I remember correctly I was talking about most parody films having characters who are all unrelatable morons aka Scary Movie, Superhero Movie, etc) but you are not looking at the right project.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1393473826/deathfist-ninja-gkaiser-a-superhero-webshow-for-yo

..also don't call your main hero a 'total loser'. You're meant to SELL HIM to the people you want a budget from.
Also your villain ideas are terrible, not hilarious. 'The Burger Pimp'.. really?

The original idea was to have some of the rogue's gallery be parodies of fast food mascots. That idea has been scrapped now that I'm doing it as a web series. I'd explain why but from the sounds of it you probably don't care.
 
See! that's the problem. You're asking for my money and then saying 'waaah you dont' care ;__;'. Clearly I cared enough to write a big post so try and sell your project!

Argh.
Nevermind.

You're not after a magic solution. You all need to get jobs and save money -and no, most TV show pilots aren't funded by a union, they're funded by a network after a product is sold to them successfully.

Either that or a film grant council or EVEN bank loans.

Thats why you hear about a pilot being commissioned, and then a full series if that pilot is successful.

Except for a web-series, which is funded from the pockets of the people making it, at least for the pilot.

You talk about how much money you're putting into it? Go and whine to James Cawley and co. over at 'Star Trek Phase II'. They've been making a real labour of love to a show (and the genre) with money entirely from their own pockets.

You have to spend money to make money, it's how the industry works.
Again, stop asking for hand outs.

EDIT: The camera work on the Scott Pilgrim rip-off is better. It's still needs a lot of work though. But good job.
 
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