Does Kamen Rider really need to be "Kamen Rider"

[Rider Hero]

I thought that kamen rider as a series mainly represented the ideals of a hero? like sacrifice, fighting evil, saving humankind, as long as it fits this, its kamen rider?? i mean definitely i can see wad u mean when a lot of series fits into this too, but haha, ultimately, what is kamen rider is dictated by the producers... i mean they release a season every year lol...

 

[aniking_8]

Kamen Rider in new generation usually fight for themselves like revenge, pride, or greed. Also most movies don't relate to the series except Den-O which the movie was between eps.27 and 28.

 

[Rider Hero]

Um got to disagree man, MOST riders in the new gen fight for other reasons, but there's always 1 who does it for good reasons, shiochi in agito, shinji in ryuki, takumi in 555, kenzaki in blade, kagami in kabuto

 

[Undrave]

There's two things for me...

The bike. Or any vehicle really... so it explains the 'rider' part of the name.

And the hero has to fight for humanity. It oftens means fighting to keep his OWN humanity from what torments him within.

 

[Artic_Rival]

"What is a Kamen Rider"

A MISRIBABLE LITTLE PILE OF SECRETS! XD

(Could not resist)

 

[Oblivion]

The bug motif does not make or break a rider series.

But some people recognize kamen riders as a kamen rider by their bug design, big rounded insect eye >> else what's the difference between Kamen Rider and a One Man Show Power Ranger? I honestly don't really like Den-O, and I heard there's not much plot in it >> Oh and Kamen Riders should ride a bike, a car or even a dragon, whatever, just ride on some vehicle. I didn't like the idea of using a bike to control a train >>

 

[JediHenshin]

Let's see :

Kamen Rider literally means Masked Rider, so a Rider with a Mask.

Old Generation Riders use Bug masks/motif/helmets

New Gen Riders : basically anything.

Here's the list after Kuuga and Agito (I'm sure you guys categorize them as Bug-Looking or Bug-Eyed, and they both resemble the older riders)

Ryuki is a dragon, and he rides a huge bike (I forgot the name, Ride Shooter or something?) to enter the mirror world. He is bug-eyed, but his helmet has a dragon motif and he has a dragon symbol and visor.

Kabuto is a beetle, and he also has a bike. He has a bug motif for the sake of Kamen Rider's 35th anniversary.

Hibiki is an Oni, he gets his bike somewhere in the middle of the episode. He is masked (Oni-style). Doesn't this make him a Kamen Rider?

Faiz has a "Phi" helmet, his bike can beat the **** out of someone. The Phi symbol gives him a bug look.

Blade is also a beetle plus a knight armor and the Spade symbol .His bike has a Spade symbol as well

Den-O wears a halved peach helment, from the legend of Momotaro. What's the matter with "not-rider-like" with Den-O? He has a bike as well, can be used outside and inside the train. Ep. 21 -22 : Den-O vs Zeronos , both of them use their bikes and they shoot each other. Ep. 32 : Bike duel with an Imagin. Ep. 27 : U-Ryotaro chases a thief with the bike. Ep.2 : Den-O uses the bike already. Which part of "Kamen Rider" doesn't fit in Den-O, in a literal sense?

(and all of them have horns/antennae/something pointy on their helmets)

It's funny to see that no one talks about Amazon. He is a lizard, he has a unique bike, and no one complained. How about KR Shin? Yes, he is a motorcycle racer and he is a grasshopper mutant. You cannot get anymore grasshopper than that, but he never use his bike in mutant form. No henshin for him... he turns into a grasshopper mutant literally.

Is this just a "Old Gen > New Gen" bias or what?

They have a different storytelling. They have different themes. Deal with it. You cannot use an idea of someone being turned into a Kaizo-Ningen for 36 years, there needs to be a change.

Also, is it really a must to have a bug motif everytime a new Kamen Rider appears? I say NO. The idea of Faiz could be traced back when Ishinomori Shotaro was still alive. The particular idea was to have a Rider using a cellphone-like device to henshin.


What is the difference between the "not-bug" Kamen Rider and a One Man Super Sentai? Ridersare more individualistic and they usually rely on their bikes. Den-O is a breakthrough on this tradition by using trains.Super Sentai is about a GROUP of heroes plus gigantic mechas and tighter suits.

Kamen Rider is about someone who tries to save the world and meet the other Kamen Rider which may have a different perspective and perhaps, a different goal to achieve. In the past days, all the Riders are heroes. Now, you have villainous Riders who use their powers for their own benefit. Some of the idea comes from the big bad Shadowmoon himself.


EDIT : You can satisfy your bug-rider appetite by watching KR The First and the Next. The gods of KR have appeared once again in theatres.

 

[Domino 555]

Don't forget the mass produced riders whatever there called in the orginal Kanmen Rider, they were riders and evil.

 

[JediHenshin]

I categorize those clone Riders as henchmen. Nevertheless, I like it that Toei uses the idea once again in KR The Next (Shocker Riders).

Ouja will be a good example of an evil Kamen Rider.

 

[Oblivion]

What's the matter with "not-rider-like" with Den-O?

I donno but Den-O kinda looks like a power-up super sentai with armors to me =/ Might be because I just watched 2 episodes and decided to drop it.

Also, is it really a must to have a bug motif everytime a new Kamen Rider appears?

I guess not =/ but I think most of us got used to seeing Kamen Rider as a bugs or something bug-like so we don't really like the new robotic designs? I have to say I prefer the design of Kuuga, Agito and 555 more then Den-O, but I do prefer Den-O's design over V3's >>

What is the difference between the "not-bug" Kamen Rider and a One Man Super Sentai? Ridersare more individualistic and they usually rely on their bikes.

If you put it that way, then yes. But think about it, a one man super sentai can be the same as a kamen rider, minus the robots. They both share one motive anyway, to save the world. The thing that separates them are their themes, like the giant monster battles and kamen rider bikes.

Den-O is a breakthrough on this tradition by using trains

breakthrough or not, I still don't prefer the denliner idea. Also, when I was 5, RX already exists, how could I had watched Amazon? >> But I heard people saying Den-O doesn't has that much plot beside fighting imagin? >>