A rant on Kamen Rider fans

It was when we we're watching the original Ultraman show. They made references to thee proton beams when the characters were shooting the leaser beams. I hope if we do another Toku theme week for next year that we will show the more modern stuff. I love the classics, but I don't the Showa stuff is the right way to introduced people into Toku.

I thinking showing Gokaiger, W, Ginga or Nexus, Garo and GMK will be good choices to show off. We almost watch the 1954 Godzilla movie, but everyone voted for the Rurouni Kenshin live action movie instead.
 
Rurouni Kenshin over Godzilla? :sly:

Who the **** chooses Rurouni Kenshin over Godzilla? I guess if it was Vs Megalon I could understand, but the original movie is a masterpiece and one of the greatest movies ever made. Rurouni Kenshin is just another adaptation of a lackluster manga. Not to mention it is a movie no one will remember existed in 7 years.
 
I would choose Rurouni Kenshin over Godzilla every time. I have no fondness for any of the Godzilla films.

Remember that not everyone places particular value over the history film or of "classics". For a certain generation of teens-young adults, Rurouni Kenshin holds a special place in their hearts. It's one of the few anime series that was popular beyond the otaku demographic.
 
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That behave identically to the previous one and (most often) have no character of their own. The better episodes are the ones that break that particular mold.
I really have to disagree with this. What made the MOTW more unique back then in comparison to the 00's Heisei Era are their big mouths and how much personality each of them had through their talking. Many times (specifically Ryuki, Hibiki and Kabuto) you would find a lot of monsters that were completely silent and only went about their destruction like wild beasts, without showing much intelligence. I'm not saying this is bad, but it shows how they really have no character of their own.
The monsters back then talked so much that they showed a lot of character.

But even the main Rider and major supporting cast behave like robotic justice-dispensers most weeks. Character development of even the most basic kind happens in maybe 10% of episodes and even then feels
mostly like an afterthought.
I think there was much development and differences between the characters. It's true that across all of those series pretty much all of the supporting cast had a generic desire for justice, but the way they went about it was much different. Every main Rider had a very unique personality and got to develop a lot during the show, becoming a completely different person than they first were. As for the support cast, try to pay closer attention to the stuff they went through and how it affected them, I'm not talking about Tachibana Tobei, who was in 5 series and evolved throughout them, not even Taki Kazuya, who grew up from one degree of badassery to the other, I'm talking about the rest of supports. Specfically, it's those that are the closest to the main Rider and are often love-interests like Tama Junko in V3 and Harumi in Super-1.


A lot of the time the new growth is treated more like a powerup than an insight.
If you're talking about the times they came up with new finishers, it really is no different than what happens nowadays, only it doesn't include a new gadget.

Seriously, take another look at the present! Most character growth nowadays involves a new form! This is always how the ultimate forms are achieved.

I love Kuuga as much as I do very much in part because Godai is so delightfully introspective. We delve into the motivations of our hero beyond a shallow desire for justice. Which is NOT to say that a simple desire for justice is inadequate or that the Showa Riders aren't oozing charisma (I've already said as much before). Just that their motivations are not interesting.
Almost all of them did not start on a path to justice. They had very different purposes and the things they had to go through changed them into the very selfless justice-bringers they are remembered as. Kazami Shiro would have gladly snapped a hundred necks early on in his series, and later on he saw a little bit of his old self in Riderman. Had Minami Kotaro had a choice he would not have continued to be BLACK, but would have spent happy days of his life with the only 2 people he had left, maybe Nobuhiko if possible... as a matter of fact, he did just that, restarting a new normal life from scratch and running away from all that sorrow until BLACK RX.
Jin Keisuke was seeking answers as to why his life had become complete hell and why everyone around him was connected to and died because of G.O.D., that last arc you debated so much about it was the epitome of this answer-seeking.
I can go on.

And really, who gives a flying **** about why one man dislikes something? I find it so much more interesting to hear why somebody likes something. It's easier to see the positive that way. I know why *I* dislike it, after all.
It's so much better to see people explaining themselves, that way we can understand their true reasoning and this truly becomes into an argument that brings benefit to everyone IMO. Rather than an endless game of saying ''I like blue'', ''I like red'', ''The rainbow's where it's at'' and so on. This is a discussion forum, after all. It's nice to see people elaborate opinions, be it about their likes or dislikes.

What I was fishing for here was some insight into what others found appealing about the Showa serieses (not a word I know). I didn't plan to just bash them in 5000 words or more. Yet somehow it turned into a pseudo-debate....I really wasn't going for that, but I guess I can't escape inserting my own opinions into the conversation.
And others wanted your insight as to why you didn't. Same thing I wrote above. Debates are good! As long as they don't turn into flame wars, in which case they're really not debates anymore.

It was when we we're watching the original Ultraman show. They made references to thee proton beams when the characters were shooting the leaser beams. I hope if we do another Toku theme week for next year that we will show the more modern stuff. I love the classics, but I don't the Showa stuff is the right way to introduced people into Toku.
Depends on what they might be used to as has been said before. I have many friends who are up to date with the handling of current special effects in many shows, and their memories of Power Rangers sometimes don't date back a lot. Whenever I show people around here japanese live-action superheroes they tend to be more interested in the old stuff, their reasoning as they told me:
''The lack of cgi makes it look less cheap, even though they're using miniature figures.''
''The explosions are real.'' (see the above reason)
''This stuff existed in the 60's/70's/80's! That's incredible!''

We almost watch the 1954 Godzilla movie, but everyone voted for the Rurouni Kenshin live action movie instead.
The actor that plays the lead in that movie makes this ironic. Kamen Rider Den-O would like them to know they're welcome.
 
The only reason Ultraman isn't as wildly accepted as much anymore is because Ultraman doesn't really use the OMG GIMMICK USB,COIN,CARD,LOCK. Bullshit that kamen rider has been riding on since Decade ended.

Before Kamen Rider Decade forms were rare and more than 3 riders was like a gift. Let alone more than 1 Movie rider. Now its FORM FORM FORM, GIMMICK GIMMICK GIMMICK and a lot of kamen rider fans eat that **** up.

Ultraman will ride on top again. I promise you that.

I should've done this earlier, but now your acting like the Ultra version of those club members, so please try to calm down. Though I do have the hope that the Ultra franchise will make a comeback.

Besides, who managed to get into the Guinness Book of Records this year?
Also who was featured on that New York Times article a few months back?

And Mr. Constantine, you do make some you do make some good arguments, but still despite the low ratings, Retsudan is still on the air, so I believe their some people who find the whole clipshow thing interesting.

And besides that, Tsuburaya Productions have been also busy with this kind of stuff:

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At least they went out of their way to help after the Tsunami. And if Toei did something other than a prerecorded message saying "Don't give up!" I'd like to see it.
 
It was kind of spontaneous, but changes were made to Gokaiger in order to accommodate past Sentai alum who wanted to help in their own way the kids who were affected by the tsunami.

And Fourze was specifically designed as a means to cheer up kids after the tsunami.

It's not much of course, and they still got to earn from it, but they did not put themselves in a bubble during the entire ordeal.
 
And Mr. Constantine, you do make some you do make some good arguments, but still despite the low ratings, Retsudan is still on the air, so I believe their some people who find the whole clipshow thing interesting.

It's a little discouraging that Ginga, the actual new series gets lower ratings than clip show episodes, though.

By the way, anyoe know how Ginga's dolls in particular are selling? I think a few people on Toho Kingdom have been collecting that line with little regard for the electronic/roleplay gimmicks since it's basically an economy-sized version of Bandai's usual Ultra vinyl line, but that doesn't really reflect sales at large.
 
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I would choose Rurouni Kenshin over Godzilla every time. I have no fondness for any of the Godzilla films.

Remember that not everyone places particular value over the history film or of "classics". For a certain generation of teens-young adults, Rurouni Kenshin holds a special place in their hearts. It's one of the few anime series that was popular beyond the otaku demographic.

Rurouni Kenshin is a mediocre manga it's true. But it was popular and the actor playing him in the latest adaptation is truly skilled at what he does. I've seen all of the Kenshin anime and I enjoy some things about it while disliking others, but I wouldn't say the choice of that or Godzilla is so easy to make.

The original Godzilla IS a good movie it's true...but it lacks excitement. There are long sections of that movie where scientists just argue back and forth about movie-science bullshit. Though if you watch the dub you can at least laugh at the lip-syncing during those parts.

Now if we were talking Godzilla vs. Biollante or Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla or Godzilla vs. Ghidorah...the choice suddenly becomes easier for me to make. Especially Biollante. Biollante kicks so much ass.


Oh well. I haven't got a flying **** what I dislike about it then. All I can fall back on is that I was falling asleep by the end and nothing they did on-screen interested me. Who knows why at this point? Maybe it was the way it was filmed. I'll take better notes when I'm watching V3.
 
At least they went out of their way to help after the Tsunami. And if Toei did something other than a prerecorded message saying "Don't give up!" I'd like to see it.
There were many events made for free that featured Rider, Sentai and all sorts of heroes. They just weren't filmed. People in superhero suits greeting and hugging kids is one of the most common occurences in the world of Tokusatsu, Tsunami or not.
 
I can see where you're coming from. There's some pretty terrible toku fans out there.

God forbid you use a sub group they don't approve of.
 

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