KingRanger
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Seven X was just ass. No it was worse than ass. It was the sweat you get in your ass cheeks on a hot day when you have been sitting on hot pavement.
Where's it best to start with Ultraman?
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Seven X was just ass. No it was worse than ass. It was the sweat you get in your ass cheeks on a hot day when you have been sitting on hot pavement.
Daikamonohashi
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Seven X was Ultraman by way of Philip K. Dick. If that's ass, it's one sexy ass if I ever saw one.
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If you are already a fan of Kamen Rider, then Nexus would be a good choice. It is far from a traditional Ultraman series, but it has some elements that can be quite positive for a newcomer.
1. The show is basically "Kamen Rider in a Ultraman costume". It moves beyond the monster-theme and focus a lot on drama and the mysteries that lies within the powers of the Ultramen. In many ways, the theme of this show reminds me a lot of Agito. So if you enjoyed Agito, you will definitely enjoy Nexus.
The idea is, that you get to experience a little bit of the Ultraman universe, while staying with some of the more familiar elements from the other Toku shows that you already enjoy. It makes it much easier to enjoy and it gets you ready to fully enter the new universe.
2. When you have been watching KR and SS, you have gotten very used to team-fighting or multiple heroes in one show. While most Ultraman shows did have some team-up battles, it is mainly a one-man show with only 1 hero. But in Nexus, you have two Ultraman almost from the start, who are FAR from being buddies. This leads to a lot of great fight scenes. Other Ultra series have tried introducing an "Evil Ultraman" character. But it has never been more than a monster-of-the-week thing.
Ultraman Gaia introduced the idea of rivalry between two Ultramen, but Nexus took the step even further and made an evil Ultraman, who is a recurring character of the show, and most Nexus fans will agree with me when I say that he is insanely awsome! :thumbs:
3. Nexus can be found fully subbed. It is very hard to find subbed Ultra shows sadly. Nexus has been fully subbed, Mebius has been fully subbed, Tiga has been fully subbed and Ultraseven-X has been fully subbed.
Other than those, most other shows have only been subbed halfway through or has not been subbed at all! I am not sure if the original Ultraman was subbed as well. I just know that it was dubbed.
Many people talk about Max, but as much as I love Max, I would never recommend it to a person who has not seen Ultraman before, for the sole reason that it is very hard to get into if you are not a big fan of the monster theme to begin with.
I would rather take Nexus first, then move on to Mebius. By watching Mebius, you basically get a whole lot of background story of all the old Ultramen, their enemies, their allies etc. The old actors even return during the last part of the show.
Mebius is not a perfect Ultraman show, but it is still easy to get hooked by, while Max is a little bit harder unless you really love monsters.
1. The show is basically "Kamen Rider in a Ultraman costume". It moves beyond the monster-theme and focus a lot on drama and the mysteries that lies within the powers of the Ultramen. In many ways, the theme of this show reminds me a lot of Agito. So if you enjoyed Agito, you will definitely enjoy Nexus.
The idea is, that you get to experience a little bit of the Ultraman universe, while staying with some of the more familiar elements from the other Toku shows that you already enjoy. It makes it much easier to enjoy and it gets you ready to fully enter the new universe.
2. When you have been watching KR and SS, you have gotten very used to team-fighting or multiple heroes in one show. While most Ultraman shows did have some team-up battles, it is mainly a one-man show with only 1 hero. But in Nexus, you have two Ultraman almost from the start, who are FAR from being buddies. This leads to a lot of great fight scenes. Other Ultra series have tried introducing an "Evil Ultraman" character. But it has never been more than a monster-of-the-week thing.
Ultraman Gaia introduced the idea of rivalry between two Ultramen, but Nexus took the step even further and made an evil Ultraman, who is a recurring character of the show, and most Nexus fans will agree with me when I say that he is insanely awsome! :thumbs:
3. Nexus can be found fully subbed. It is very hard to find subbed Ultra shows sadly. Nexus has been fully subbed, Mebius has been fully subbed, Tiga has been fully subbed and Ultraseven-X has been fully subbed.
Other than those, most other shows have only been subbed halfway through or has not been subbed at all! I am not sure if the original Ultraman was subbed as well. I just know that it was dubbed.
Many people talk about Max, but as much as I love Max, I would never recommend it to a person who has not seen Ultraman before, for the sole reason that it is very hard to get into if you are not a big fan of the monster theme to begin with.
I would rather take Nexus first, then move on to Mebius. By watching Mebius, you basically get a whole lot of background story of all the old Ultramen, their enemies, their allies etc. The old actors even return during the last part of the show.
Mebius is not a perfect Ultraman show, but it is still easy to get hooked by, while Max is a little bit harder unless you really love monsters.
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Phanto5692
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Considering how the original question was "What is the best Ultraman to start out with, I don't think Seven X is a good place to start.
Burkion
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Here's an interesting thing.
If you wanted, you could say that UltraSeven exists completely out of continuity from the rest of the Ultraman franchise.
I mean, if you look at his solo series, UltraSeven, UltraSeven Evolution (What I dub the series from 94 to 2002, since just adressing them all one by one would take too long rather like explaining it doe...goddamnit...) and UltraSeven X...
None of them have anything to do with the other Ultras.
At all.
Ever. They are completely self contained and interlocking stories spanning decades that give no regard nor reason for there to be other Ultra Heroes.
Because, honestly, if they WERE in continuity with Ultraman proper, (We know the original wasn't made to be) then I declare Ultraman to be a huge dick.
Jack just gets the stuffing beat out of him by freaking BEMSTAR and Seven comes and saves his ass.
Seven gets CRUCIFIED and who comes to save him?
NO ONE.
Er, anyways.
The Evolution series tend to be hit or miss with fans, but I enjoyed them a lot for what they were.
And X is a mighty fine series, perfectly summing up what made the original so good, while also taking daring new risks.
Plus, love it or hate it, it's the last Ultraman TV show we've had in 3, going on 4, years.
Also, I do have to note, though UltraSeven can easily boot the rest of the Ultra verse out of his continuity, they cannot do the same to HIM.
Dude is rather vital. Which I find amazing.
The one that wasn't even supposed to BE an Ultraman may be the most popular and influential of them all.
If you wanted, you could say that UltraSeven exists completely out of continuity from the rest of the Ultraman franchise.
I mean, if you look at his solo series, UltraSeven, UltraSeven Evolution (What I dub the series from 94 to 2002, since just adressing them all one by one would take too long rather like explaining it doe...goddamnit...) and UltraSeven X...
None of them have anything to do with the other Ultras.
At all.
Ever. They are completely self contained and interlocking stories spanning decades that give no regard nor reason for there to be other Ultra Heroes.
Because, honestly, if they WERE in continuity with Ultraman proper, (We know the original wasn't made to be) then I declare Ultraman to be a huge dick.
Jack just gets the stuffing beat out of him by freaking BEMSTAR and Seven comes and saves his ass.
Seven gets CRUCIFIED and who comes to save him?
NO ONE.
Er, anyways.
The Evolution series tend to be hit or miss with fans, but I enjoyed them a lot for what they were.
And X is a mighty fine series, perfectly summing up what made the original so good, while also taking daring new risks.
Plus, love it or hate it, it's the last Ultraman TV show we've had in 3, going on 4, years.
Also, I do have to note, though UltraSeven can easily boot the rest of the Ultra verse out of his continuity, they cannot do the same to HIM.
Dude is rather vital. Which I find amazing.
The one that wasn't even supposed to BE an Ultraman may be the most popular and influential of them all.
Phanto5692
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I can see your point, Burkion, however, Ultraseven did appear with Ultraman in an episode of Return of Ultraman (a.k.a. Ultraman Jack). So they probably started establishing continuity around then.
KingRanger
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Ultraseven, the original, is directly related to the REAL ultraverse.
Daikamonohashi
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Yes and no. This was discussed more in depth in the General Ultraman thread but... The original Ultraman was a sequel to Ultra Q and took place in the 1990s. Then Ultra Seven came along and was intended to be totally unrelated to Ultraman. It took place in the 1980s. This is where the continuities start getting really weird. More on this in a second.
Return of Ultraman came along after Tsuburaya died and essentially took a sledgehammer to the previous shows and used the same sledgehammer to haphazardly put all the shows to date in the same timeline. The opening of the show explicitly states that MAT was set up after Seven left Earth. Since Jack took place in the 70s, Ultraman and Ultraseven were effectively retconned into taking place in the respective years they were made (or thereabouts). This forms what we know as the Showa continuity thread that ran though Ultraman 80 and was picked up again in Mebius.
The weird thing with Seven is that the 90s and 00s Seven productions all assume that Seven was the only Ultra series and that Jack's sledgehammering never occurred. Thus, Seven exists in at least two continuities (possibly more, as the ending of Seven X is extremely ambiguous - it could occur in either continuity or an entirely different one).
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