too many episodes in kamen rider/sentai

[NeonZ]

plus with fourze in cosmic states accept the debut, it was the same thing he did over and over again, he didnt even use alot of switches even from his chest switch board accept the meteor and claw switch, he didnt even use different switches that were used in barrizon sword that were on the toy like chain array etc.

But that's just wrong. I don't see why people claim that Fourze didn't use Switches after Cosmic. I'll make a list later, but this kind of complaint is just odd. There are very few episodes where they could have added more switch use aside from just adding more fighting scenes. And actually, the most used combination with Cosmic's Sword was Elek, not Claw or Storm.

 

[Scissors]

It is not nearly as bad anymore as it used to be. Think about the Showa era where we could get 4 episodes of great development for one of the characters, and the remaining 46 episodes would be pure filler.
I like KR Black and everything. But come on, that show would only have been 12 episodes long if we took out all the filler.

 

[BoukenSilver83]

But that's just wrong. I don't see why people claim that Fourze didn't use Switches after Cosmic. I'll make a list later, but this kind of complaint is just odd. There are very few episodes where they could have added more switch use aside from just adding more fighting scenes. And actually, the most used combination with Cosmic's Sword was Elek, not Claw or Storm.

im just speaking for the kids mindset not adults, it just seems kids rely so much on toys rather than watch filler episodes to boost up ratings on episodes, if you know why because they always want something new to buy and when they get that, they watch the episodes for their debuts, it's part of motivation and fun for them. im not saying after the final toy end the series, what im saying is make at least 5 episodes of making the story interesting to end the series.

 

[Hell Kaiser Andy]

Well Bandai do pump a lot of money into this franchise.

I could imagine a writer is told his episodes need to feature x amount of whatever gadget Bandai has come up with for the show.

 

[Toku Prime]

Some series have failed epically at this: Ryuki, Faiz, hell Black is almost an entire series of nothing but filler.

Aww don't tell me that. I'm 17 episodes into Black and I'd been hoping the awesomeness would kick in soon :disappoin

 

[Khaiden]

It is not nearly as bad anymore as it used to be. Think about the Showa era where we could get 4 episodes of great development for one of the characters, and the remaining 46 episodes would be pure filler.
I like KR Black and everything. But come on, that show would only have been 12 episodes long if we took out all the filler.

I can't even begin to tell you how wrong this is. The characters do grow, and just when you think a status quo is being established and it's going to grow stale, an episode that changes things comes. I'm talking about the entire era, including BLACK.

Aww don't tell me that. I'm 17 episodes into Black and I'd been hoping the awesomeness would kick in soon :disappoin

You're in for it, the formula will be shaken. Kotaro will battle in this new setting for a while. A heads-up: anytime Taki Ryusuke appears it's the signal the coming episodes will feature something big.

 

[NeonZ]

It is not nearly as bad anymore as it used to be. Think about the Showa era where we could get 4 episodes of great development for one of the characters, and the remaining 46 episodes would be pure filler.
I like KR Black and everything. But come on, that show would only have been 12 episodes long if we took out all the filler.

Showa era still had things like most of X and the second half of Stronger though... Even Skyrider has a surprising amount of continuity once the first villain is beaten, although it's still clearly a monster of the week show (and that continuity stops after a while).

im just speaking for the kids mindset not adults, it just seems kids rely so much on toys rather than watch filler episodes to boost up ratings on episodes, if you know why because they always want something new to buy and when they get that, they watch the episodes for their debuts, it's part of motivation and fun for them. im not saying after the final toy end the series, what im saying is make at least 5 episodes of making the story interesting to end the series.

I was just replying to your mention that the show stopped using switches.

Anyway, regarding your general idea. Toy debuts do seem to help ratings with children but they're hardly the only factor. Fourze's ratings with children only really got bad by episode 40, not 33. Cosmic's debut really didn't give a boost to the show at all with children, even though the ratings were decent, and Meteor Storm's debut actually had fairly low ratings. Oddly enough, the first episode of the Capricorn arc actually had Fourze's last big boost with children.

As far as Gokaiger goes, the Go-onger arc with the new engine had a boost with children, but the actual final robot combination had a drop and its ratings with children had gotten bad by episode 22, a long time before they stopped adding new toys.

Now, there IS a trend of Riders' and Sentai's ratings with children dropping in the last 10 episodes, and those episodes also are the ones that stop introducing new toys, but I'm not really sure what's the cause. Fourze even tried to reintroduce Rocket States at that point, but it didn't really help at all.

I think there might be multiple reasons though. The ratings dropping in the last quarter isn't something new, but, if you look at older shows like Kabuto and Den-O, they also had ratings drops with children around July and August, which match the ending of the series now, recovering by September (before going on to drop again during the final 8 or so episodes). So, in addition to the usual lower ratings near the ending of the show, the current rider series also have the same period in a naturally lower rated time of the year. I guess it's related to school vacations or school tests?

Alternatively, maybe Toei stops marketing the tv show much by that time? It could influence those numbers, considering how they'd be preparing to market a movie and the next show. It could also explain why those early Heisei series had a ratings drop there too, the August summer movie's marketing replacing the tv marketing for a while. Of course, the lack of toys also means even less marketing now near the ending of the shows.

 

[Switchblade]

It is not nearly as bad anymore as it used to be. Think about the Showa era where we could get 4 episodes of great development for one of the characters, and the remaining 46 episodes would be pure filler.
I like KR Black and everything. But come on, that show would only have been 12 episodes long if we took out all the filler.

It's really not fair to hold the Showa era to the same standards. The shows back then didn't really do the ongoing plot arc thing, they were more about making entertaining done-in-one episodes every week with the occasional two-parter. It's less that the shows had a lot of "filler" and more that they just had an intentionally episodic nature.

 

[Ivanhobe]

I don´t think that the shows need to be shorter, i think the main problem with current seasons of SS and KR is that they have fallen into a pattern, this is especially true for Kamen rider since they have been following almost the same structure since W, they really need to shake things up with Wizard.

Thinking about it, it would be nice if they try something more like Kiva, the beginning and ending of the show were a bit slow but the show knew how to handle its length in relation to the story arcs. One of the reasons why it seems that KR has fallen into this pattern is the way toys are merchandised, usually the main gimmick for selling toys is either a new Rider or a New Form, but that shouldn´t be the limit, they could try things like new weapons or vehicles to keep things interesting, both when it comes to merchandise and story.

 

[Glamador]

It's really not fair to hold the Showa era to the same standards. The shows back then didn't really do the ongoing plot arc thing, they were more about making entertaining done-in-one episodes every week with the occasional two-parter. It's less that the shows had a lot of "filler" and more that they just had an intentionally episodic nature.

It's true that it isn't fair to judge Showa era series against Heisei ones. But there is an objective measure of what's considered "filler". And Black (the only Showa era I've seen enough of so far to judge) is rife with it.

And it is indeed true that just as it settles into formula it chucks a curveball and changes the formula significantly. But that is precisely 1 episode in every set of 5-10. After the changes it settles right back into a NEW formula, with that change present.

That doesn't make the following episodes any LESS filler. It just means that instead of being a series made of one filler arc, it's made of many smaller ones. As was said earlier, if you cut out all those episodes you'd be left with maybe 12 that actually tell a story. It would be different if the characters grew in some way from episode to episode, but ALL growth is put on hold between those 12 or so episodes.

I can't say if that structure is similar for other Showa era series, but as I have Amazon downloaded and ready for viewing I'm sure I'll find out soon enough.