power aquirering in kamen rider

Smilodon said:

I thought he had like a belt holster for all of his Gaia Memories. But I dunno. They probably appear when W need them.

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He does.

I am starting to see why black fang and others get annoyed and pissed when people use the "they re kids shows they are allowed to be badly written" argument.

KingRanger said:

That is why I am not a big fan of Go-Onger-Goseiger. Those 3 series were just over kill on crap to sell toys.

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Shinkenger and Goseiger should fall into that category

ok i had no idea how this switched tracks but as the conductor of this out of control locomotive im going to try to get it back on track-

i was asking how people though about the upcoming series and the potential of it turn into a collecting series and that there has been a trend of this in other rider series im not worried about plot holes -though i find some annoying no matter what i like closure and i hate it when something isn't explained or solved or a how did that happen pops up. Kabutos time travel aspect is rather confusing espically considering all the time traveling he does off camera aperantly. its rather confusing with the fact that he attacks his sis while his future self swaps her for a grunt worm and he seems to know about it despite being before he got the zector.thats confusing enuff that i kinda ignore the small stuff

as it is noted about anything produced by the sirus cybernetics corporation
it is very easy to be blinded by the inherent useless ness of their products by the shock of getting them to work at all

in other words their fundemental design flaws are completely hidden by their superficial design flaws-much like anything made by apple

Just to chime in here. This is a plot hole.

A plot hole, or plothole, is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot, or constitutes a blatant omission of relevant information regarding the plot. These include such things as unlikely behaviour or actions of characters, illogical or impossible events, events happening for no apparent reason, or statements/events that contradict earlier events in the storyline.

While many stories have unanswered questions, unlikely events or chance occurrences, a plot hole is one that is essential to the story's outcome. Plot holes are usually seen as weaknesses or flaws in a story, and writers usually try to avoid them to make their stories seem as realistic as possible. However, certain genre (and some media) which require or allow suspension of disbelief are more tolerant of plot holes.

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Now the general part of the weapons and henshin items disappearing has never been explained in a Rider show for the most part, and as such should be taken as just part of the genre. Outside of shows like Faiz were it's mostly shown to be a physical object. Suspension of disbelief.

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This does not mean that are not plot holes. You may be able to move on past the plot holes, but that doesn't not mean you can just say they do not exist. You can't jack all over set narrative structure and say it doesn't exist.

A plot hole is saying that the Red Shoes system is there to force Kabuto and Gattack to destroy all Worms, and then never following it up again. That's just the way it is. Sorry. No hand-waving will change that.

Imagine if the people in the 1950s gets an iPad, how will they react? I don't know how it got there, probably in the near future somebody can make a time machine that can send objects back in time... But isn't it silly for me to assume it?

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That's not a story. And if it was a story, an iPad randomly appearing in the 1950's would be a plothole.

I mean it's more interesting if there's a mystery behind things and not get a far-fetched explanation that will eventually be proven wrong.

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No, the writer controls the universe. To reiterate, the writer controls the universe. Countless stories have been written about concepts that were proven false. The stories still stand because everything is consistent within the story.

The author is supposed to set up the rules that the show goes by and then stick with them. Consistency is key.

In Kabuto's case, I believe he ultimately did not care. And that's fine. He aim was to have Tendou get a Perfect Zecter. Fair enough. But you can't call it good writing.

A plot hole is saying that the Red Shoes system is there to force Kabuto and Gattack to destroy all Worms, and then never following it up again. That's just the way it is. Sorry. No hand-waving will change that.

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No, that's not correct at all. I don't know why a segment of the fanbase loves stupid mind control plot devices (I guess that's why Blade is liked so much? :sweat, but that's not a plothole at all.

It was a system introduced with that function, that would be activated if they stopped fighting worms, something that never happened. If it had suddenly become easier to activate than before, just because its existence was revealed to the viewer, THEN you'd have a plothole. Kabuto went through more than 30 episodes without ever having problems with it. Why should it suddenly be activated more often in the last 10 or so episodes?

The existence of the Red Shoes System was not forgotten, considering how it was one of the reasons that Kagami's father was considered a traitor by the Natives. It just happened that a contrived situation forcing its activation was never forced into the series' plot.

In Kabuto's case, I believe he ultimately did not care. And that's fine. He aim was to have Tendou get a Perfect Zecter. Fair enough. But you can't call it good writing.

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Well, I agree with this point. It's not "good writing" because it had basically no writing done about it. You can't call Kabuto's "Rider Kick" good writing either.

NeonZ said:

The existence of the Red Shoes System was not forgotten, considering how it was one of the reasons the reason that Kagami's father was considered a traitor by the natives. It just happened that a contrived situation forcing its activation was never forced into the series' plot.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chekov's_gun

NeonZ said:

No, that's not correct at all. I don't know why a segment of the fanbase loves stupid mind control plot devices (I guess that's why Blade is liked so much? :sweat, but that's not a plothole at all.

It was a system introduced with that function, that would be activated if they stopped fighting worms, something that never happened. If it had suddenly become easier to activate than before, just because its existence was revealed to the viewer, THEN you'd have a plothole. Kabuto went through more than 30 episodes without ever having problems with it. Why should it suddenly be activated more often in the last 10 or so episodes?

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There was no foreshadowing of its existence prior, and no use of it after. It was a one shot bit given great importance and then promptly discarded. I don't love Red Shoes. I wouldn't care if they had it either way, but if you're going to bring it up, remain consistent.

The existence of the Red Shoes System was not forgotten, considering how it was one of the reasons that Kagami's father was considered a traitor by the Natives. It just happened that a contrived situation forcing its activation was never forced into the series' plot.

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At which point it became mostly a waste of time. Nothing was added by the Red Shoes plotline. As Kou mentioned, Chekov's Gun.

The name Chekhov's gun comes from Anton Chekhov himself, who stated that any object introduced in a story must be used later on, else it ought not to feature in the first place.

It's the literally equivalent of "don't waste the audiences damn time."

Well, I agree with this point. It's not "good writing" because it had basically no writing done about it. You can't call Kabuto's "Rider Kick" good writing either.

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Of course not, but the Rider Kick stays remarkably consistent from beginning to end. It's a tool with no plot significance whatsoever.

I think some people mistake their own theories and ideas that spawn from their love of a show, for what really happened in said show.

There was no foreshadowing of its existence prior, and no use of it after. It was a one shot bit given great importance and then promptly discarded.

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It wasn't used for more than 30 episodes. There's no reason it should have suddenly become a more frequent occurrence just because its existence was revealed. Its non use is perfectly consistent.

The name Chekhov's gun comes from Anton Chekhov himself, who stated that any object introduced in a story must be used later on, else it ought not to feature in the first place.

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The existence of the Red Shoes System was one of the reasons given to explain how the Natives learned that Kagami's father was actually betraying them. Kagami's father losing control of Zect was an essential part of the finale. So, the Red Shoes System wasn't pointless, even if it wasn't used again.

Kabuto has problems, but this isn't one of them.