"Iron Man" star blasts "The Dark Knight"

[HaiTien78]

I never mentioned anything about being "kid friendly," and you are coming off as if you're attacking me, so it would be in your best interest to stop as VG already stated. Oh, and just an FYI, I've been reading/collecting comic books for about 17 years and I own a little over 1800 books, so I think I know a thing or two about them. Just cause some rare gems like Watchmen or V for Vendetta or something as great as Y the Last Man come out once in a blue moon doesn't mean the genre itself is reflected by those books. You're picking a few stories out of the hundreds of thousands that have been written. You're gonna have to come up with A LOT more examples to support that argument.

No I'm not attacking, I just present my opinion strongly. The type of fun I was mentioning with Iron Man was the safe fodder family fun. When you added on I assumed you were speaking that comic book films should all be the kind of fun I was talking about. Ah yes I forgot to mention Y: the Last Man, only two volumes into the story. Now is that 1800 individual books or TPBs and Hardcovers? Doesn't matter how long you've been reading comic books, if you can't understand the things you are reading its all the same as if you've just started. Comics that have strong writing and story? Yes I can name quite a few, but Comics that are literary masterpieces? Well what kind of medium has a majority of everything being a masterpiece? That would make things quite boring.

 

[Fireguard]

It seems to me American-made comics have gotten more grown up on the whole. Maybe because when most kids read comics these days, they're reading manga.

 

[HaiTien78]

It seems to me American-made comics have gotten more grown up on the whole. Maybe because when most kids read comics these days, they're reading manga.

I once spilled Clorox on my manga, now its Bleach.

Yes I weep for the new generation of kids. The kids of the 80s got to grow up with Thundercats, Voltron, Star Wars, Robotech, Ghostbusters, Ninja Turtles, all that good stuff. My generation the kids of the early 90s got Power Rangers, the Tim Burton's Batman, Good Toonami, the great Nickelodeon stuff (Rocko's Modern Life, Kenan and Kel, etc.), Freakazoid, Good Simpsons, plus reruns of everything from the 80s.

Now the new generation of kids grow up with Naruto, One Piece, all the crap that airs on Adult Swim and CN Saturdays, the New Star Wars trilogy (Back in 2006 one of my 7 year old cousins loved Star Wars but did not have a clue who Luke Skywalker or the Death Star is), Sam Raimi's Spider-Man (Well thats not bad really), all that junk.

 

[Rainboy]

Doesn't matter how long you've been reading comic books, if you can't understand the things you are reading its all the same as if you've just started.

Who said anything about not understanding stories? Please, stop making obscure accusations. I can't say I know more about comics than you, cause I don't know you. Likewise, you don't know me. I do know my comic knowledge is vast and thus being exposed and probably having read more than you (just an assumption but probably a fair one to make) probably gives me a better understanding of the medium. Sure, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but comics are one the last things taken seriously in this world, which was my point to begin with. They are seen as "kiddie" by your average folk, and that's a stereotype that isn't completely untrue. They are what they are, men and women (for the more popular books) roaming around in colorful spandex fighting even more eccentric villains. The stories can be as serious as one could make them, but you can't deny the fact that they are written to bring out the child in you. And that's what they do. Sometime there are stories that are deemed as inappropriate or "adult," but often times not. And I'm ok with that. If every comic book resembled the writing of Alan Moore, I sure as hell wouldn't read them, cause it simply wouldn't be entertaining. It's like the whole argument that comes along when that random PR fan makes a thread about "how cool would it be if PR were made for adults?" It wouldn't work, and it would be completely ignoring what the show is meant for. It may please some of the older fans, but would ostracize the rest of the viewers, who are children, and easily the majority.

It seems to me American-made comics have gotten more grown up on the whole.

Yes, I would definitely agree with that. I'd say starting around the late 90's comics seemed to bring about a new level of maturity, at least from the big two. It grew from there, especially with DC. Clearly when Didio jumped on board, things may have gotten a bit out of control (an increase in random killings of heroes, the whole abuse of women controversy)

 

[HaiTien78]

Who said anything about not understanding stories? Please, stop making obscure accusations. I can't say I know more about comics than you, cause I don't know you. Likewise, you don't know me. I do know my comic knowledge is vast and thus being exposed and probably having read more than you (just an assumption but probably a fair one to make) probably gives me a better understanding of the medium. Sure, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but comics are one the last things taken seriously in this world, which was my point to begin with. They are seen as "kiddie" by your average folk, and that's a stereotype that isn't completely untrue. They are what they are, men and women (for the more popular books) roaming around in colorful spandex fighting even more eccentric villains. The stories can be as serious as one could make them, but you can't deny the fact that they are written to bring out the child in you. And that's what they do. Sometime there are stories that are deemed as inappropriate or "adult," but often times not. And I'm ok with that. If every comic book resembled the writing of Alan Moore, I sure as hell wouldn't read them, cause it simply wouldn't be entertaining. It's like the whole argument that comes along when that random PR fan makes a thread about "how cool would it be if PR were made for adults?" It wouldn't work, and it would be completely ignoring what the show is meant for. It may please some of the older fans, but would ostracize the rest of the viewers, who are children, and easily the majority.

Understanding comment was put in to show it doesn't matter how long you've been reading, it matters what you understand. So you are stating that all comic book films should be kiddie like how the public eye views it?

You are dodging back and forth here, I did not bring in the "Public Eye views it as kiddie even though its not" argument, its obvious the public eye views comics, Power Rangers, and similar things are for kids, I wasn't even talking about the Public Eye's thoughts nor denying that comics are thought of for keds. Hell theres a lot of stuff out there that is made for kids that most people don't realize (like Gundam for example). Although most of the comic stories there are recently I don't see how they are supposed to bring out the kid in you. And if I want a nostalgia blast I go watch a Kenan and Kel rerun. But heres what I don't get about you, you've been reading comics for as long as you say you have, and you say the Comic book films should all be kiddie for the public eye? Is that what you want or what you think should happen? See thats what I am saying to you, if you have been a fan as long as you say you have, and know that the Public Eye's beliefs are incorrect, you still agree with them that these films should be kiddie?

Of course Alan Moore has a few great stories but no one wants to read the stuff his beard thinks up all the time. Also judging by your thoughts I'd say you are a fan of the Silver Age and possibly Alex Ross's work

 

[Rainboy]

But heres what I don't get about you, you've been reading comics for as long as you say you have, and you say the Comic book films should all be kiddie for the public eye? Is that what you want or what you think should happen?

It's neither. I never said or even insinuated that...don't put words in my mouth please and I wont do so to you.

See thats what I am saying to you, if you have been a fan as long as you say you have, and know that the Public Eye's beliefs are incorrect, you still agree with them that these films should be kiddie?

Again, you're misreading what I wrote and trying to argue points I never brought up to begin with. If you read my post correctly you would have seen that I said the following...

They are seen as "kiddie" by your average folk, and that's a stereotype that isn't completely untrue.

Unless all you read are books from Vertigo or the Marvel Max line, a lot of stories are written for a younger audience (mainly pre to early teens) or are at least accessible to both younger people and adults alike.

Also judging by your thoughts I'd say you are a fan of the Silver Age and possibly Alex Ross's work

Actually not a huge Ross or Silver Age fan....unless it's GA and GL, they had some excellent stories in the Silver Age. I actually dislike Ross because he's stuck in the Silver Age (although he seems to be doing some work lately that makes me think he realizes you can only draw your childhood so long before you run out of work to do since a select few want to tell those types of stories lately, lol.)

As for the comments were you seem to question how long I've been reading/collecting, why would anyone feel it necessary to lie to people they've never met? I have nothing to prove nor do I feel the need to argue this with you, so let's drop it if we could please.

I think it's best if we just agree to disagree. I enjoyed Iron Man more than TDK. I felt TDK was a good film that simply could have been a little less dark and depressing. I understand that that is who Batman is and the film reflected it, but (to me) it just took things a bit too far. I trust you're intelligent enough to accept that that is my opinion whether you agree with it or not, and leave it at that.

 

[HaiTien78]

Actually not a huge Ross or Silver Age fan....unless it's GA and GL, they had some excellent stories in the Silver Age. I actually dislike Ross because he's stuck in the Silver Age (although he seems to be doing some work lately that makes me think he realizes you can only draw your childhood so long before you run out of work to do since a select few want to tell those types of stories lately, lol.)

As for the comments were you seem to question how long I've been reading/collecting, why would anyone feel it necessary to lie to people they've never met? I have nothing to prove nor do I feel the need to argue this with you, so let's drop it if we could please.

I think it's best if we just agree to disagree. I enjoyed Iron Man more than TDK. I felt TDK was a good film that simply could have been a little less dark and depressing. I understand that that is who Batman is and the film reflected it, but (to me) it just took things a bit too far. I trust you're intelligent enough to accept that that is my opinion whether you agree with it or not, and leave it at that.

Your opinions are similar to that of Silver Age and Ross fans, which is why I made that conclusion.

Good idea you have there lets just agree to disagree since we are just both misunderstanding each other back and forth and if I chose to continue we would just misunderstand each other again.

 

[Skinwalker]

You can enjoy Iron Man more but still recognise that TDK is the better film.

Ross annoys me but some of his stuff is kinda cool. Silver age fanboy writing (especially Morrison) are horrible.