Iron Man Forever By David Michelinie and Bob Layton

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The "Forever" titles are the best thing that Marvel have chruned out in years, giving the older fans titles by the writers they were raised on as kids and teenagers. For some, this range is RESTORING Marvel to it's former glories and getting the characters back on track with the writers that gave them thier definitive voices.

This new title will focus on the second Armour Wars, and, like X-Men Forever and X-Factor Forever, will pretend nothing happened after David and Layton left Iron Man, allowing them to continue where they left

Marvel also offered a Fantastic Four Forever title to John Byrne (he preferred to use the title Fantastic 4Ever), but he turned it down when he found out Marvel were going to overexpose The Avengers titles AGAIN.

It said they have only pitched the series, even if it is picked up that doesn't mean that it would get published even near finished projects get pulped. And while I enjoy the "Forever" line it is not the best thing Marvel has done recently and could end up hurting them in the long run. Bringing back old writers to work out old plots is great for a miniseries or two but anymore than things get quickly stagnant. I stand by Chris Claremont though since he is willing to try new things and concepts, even if they fail. As for fans crying that these comics are the salvation of Marvel need to get over their nostalgic wallowing and realize that it is hypocritical when the very same writers achieved their accolades by upending the status quo and experimenting. They are good place to read some your favorites writers though.

And plus this all becomes suspect when there is mention of Marvel offering John Byrne work.

Blue Saint said:

It said they have only pitched the series, even if it is picked up that doesn't mean that it would get published even near finished projects get pulped. And while I enjoy the "Forever" line it is not the best thing Marvel has done recently and could end up hurting them in the long run. Bringing back old writers to work out old plots is great for a miniseries or two but anymore than things get quickly stagnant.

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Not really, that's just because modern fans are so used to decompression, another word for "Lazy fucking writing", which also happens to apply to modern fans lazy, brittle tastes.

As for fans crying that these comics are the salvation of Marvel need to get over their nostalgic wallowing and realize that it is hypocritical when the very same writers achieved their accolades by upending the status quo and experimenting

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"Nostalgic wallowing"...oh yes Little Miss Hypocrite, DO try and cover up the fact that most of the mainstream shite is fuelled head and shoulder by glorifed NOSTALGIC FANFIC

I love how people use "nostalgic" like it's some kind of detremental quality...a lot of the old-school stuff is ALWAYS better than the modern bile...there written by FOLLOWERS, not LEADERS...but go on, keep reading about Black Cat getting raped, deals with the devil, needless wars over registration politics, the public being dumb enough to follow Norman Osborn, and other pedantic shock tactic stunts.

You've got NOTHING when it comes to whatever high horse you've conceived for yourself.

Not to mention the older writers evolved the characters RESPECTFULLY and didnt take a billion steps backwards and raped every character to "cheat" their way into their current status quoes, with several older fans pissed off and the creative teams trolling one another as far as continuity goes

And plus this all becomes suspect when there is mention of Marvel offering John Byrne work.

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Byrne himself acknowledged it and even drew up a spec logo for the title

If you actually bothered to read anything I have posted you would know I take issue with all of that no matter what company or creator it comes from. And once again you rail against Marvel for the exact same things DC does. Also please explain how I am covering up anything when I am openly critical of many of Marvel's actions. Furthermore why am I on a high-horse just because I point out the gaping holes of logic that compose every rant and rave you seem to give on modern comics. I just ask you read what you just type out and tell me how DC is any different. And that isn't a slam against DC or the fans that enjoy the work, it is a matter of fact.

And yes I take issue with fans that look back on yesterday as some sort of golden standard just because it is what they grew up with because it is not objective and sets an unfair, unrealistic, and unobtainable standard for anything else to live up to. That is because in part that standard is not based in reality. It is like saying the first season of Power Rangers was the best just because it was what you grew-up watching. When it was a rather bad show, I love it but it is still a bad show. But you can believe what you want, you can see me as an asshole that hates you and everything you love for all I care.

And just because Byrne says something doesn't really mean a thing, good artist but everything that he says should be taken with a grain salt based on his track record alone. Someone may have talked to him, but he is never working for Marvel while Quesada is around. I believe Byrne made a joke concerning Quesada and the then recent death of his mother.

You're on ignore.

Let's just avoid each other, this is about the third time you've pissed me off via your bias towards Marvel's brainless approach to modernism.