Has the Kamen Rider franchise been going downhill since Den-O?

[Sentaifan'07 Xman]

Nah!!!!!!

I think it went on a different path since Kamen Rider Kabuto.

 

[Aoi Kurenai]

I don't really think it's a trend or anything, these shows have different writers and crews behind them, so each is going to have their own individual take on the mythos of the franchise, even if at times it's only as deep as calling the show Kamen Rider.

I would like less Inoue series, though, we really need some fresh blood in the franchise.

Den-O isn't God. We're not breaking a sacred commandment by criticizing the show. Deal with it.

And this topic is encompassing two shows, not one.

I think he's commenting more on the fact that it seems like a new thread pops up every week bashing Den-O.

 

[Creator]

Well the silliness in Den-O and Kiva really pissed me off, completely not what a Kamen Rider should have been.

 

[Vash the Stampede]

I mind you that early Rider shows had some comedy in them. Hell, there were some moments in V3 that made me chuckle.

 

[Creator]

yes but it wasn't overbearing.... even the light moments in Agito didn't overshadow its dark main plot of monsters killing people and a hero to save the human race.

 

[Vash the Stampede]

Kiva's comedy seems pretty balanced to me. It's not too serious, but it's not too silly.

 

[Tsubasa Dragon]

Den-O isn't God. We're not breaking a sacred commandment by criticizing the show. Deal with it.

but we don't need a new topic every week to show their hatred for den-o it's not like it's going to stay popular forever.

 

[carbonblue]

yes but it wasn't overbearing.... even the light moments in Agito didn't overshadow its dark main plot of monsters killing people and a hero to save the human race.

So far Kiva has been balancing the light moments very well with the serious tone in my opinion; it compares to how Kabuto did it I think.

I like the darker plots in Kamen Rider yes, but a change of pace like Den O offered is good every so often; I (and I'm sure a lot of people as well) would eventually tune off if each new series (every year) takes the same serious and depressing tones as, say, Faiz did.

As for the original question, no, KR hasn't been going downhill since DenO; like someone mentioned, Den O injected some life into the series.

 

[Solid Snake]

Actually I don't think the franchise is going down hill, at least from what I can see at the moment. Yes, Den-O was different and had its pros and cons, but since it's over I think we should bury it and start blaming Kiva (if you want to start blaming something).

It's good that Kiva turned out the way it had, I was afraid that they might keep up the Den-O trend. Den-O was fine for a year but having it spawn a whole generation of itself is hard to watch.

In other words, the only problem with Kiva is how the story is progressing. I don't think the humor or any light-heartedness(?) is affecting it. Ryuki had a lot of crazy **** going on but had a strong progressing story. So don't blame the humor, blame the writers' inability to move the story at a better pace.

 

[Ryuutaros]

Kamen Rider is a cool guy because he fights monsters and not afraid of anything.