Redemptive reading of Kamen Rider Gaim: What if it was all intentional?

[lazycoconut]

Ok, the Fujoshis part was a bit overblown, but from interviews, talks and some 4chan searching, it seems that not only Yutaka's fans but also a large part of the adult viewers liked Kaito for what he was and he got tons of free passes, even Urobuchi said at an interview that "at times you have to give in to the higher-ups but hold firm to the things you can never compromise on when writting a story", Kaito wasn't even considered to last more than a few episodes, at least in the original draft. From what I heard, the kids loved Gaim, which is pretty natural, Kouta is designed in a way to appeal to all ages and be likable all-around.

There seems to have been quite a lot of that in recent years, Date, Hayami, and Bishop were all kept on their respective shows much longer than they were intended to be there, just because of their popularity with fans. Date's understandable I guess because both he and his actor were very charismatic but the others, plus Kaito ... I guess people love a "bad boy", no matter how awful he may be?

That's surprising though, Kaito was only going to be there a few episodes? Do you have a source for that? The first episode's opening, plus the imagery in the OP, would have made me think that he was always going to be Kouta's final enemy/rival

 

[Eldar]

^Didn't Roshuo say that after he got the fruit it was his followers that got mad and destroyed everything

No he deemed only the strong amongst the femushinmu were fit to survive after he realized he couldn't save everyone. Those strong turned on each other and in the end he lost his Queen who shared his ideals.

even Urobuchi said at an interview that "at times you have to give in to the higher-ups but hold firm to the things you can never compromise on when writting a story"

Kaito wasn't even considered to last more than a few episodes, at least in the original draft

[citation needed]

 

[NeonZ]

Ok, the Fujoshis part was a bit overblown, but from interviews, talks and some 4chan searching, it seems that not only Yutaka's fans but also a large part of the adult viewers liked Kaito for what he was and he got tons of free passes, even Urobuchi said at an interview that "at times you have to give in to the higher-ups but hold firm to the things you can never compromise on when writting a story", Kaito wasn't even considered to last more than a few episodes, at least in the original draft.

I really doubt that. Kaito's actor always was the second highest billed actor in the show. He wasn't a random minor character that got his stay and role extended due to popularity. He was a main character that got a few extras from popularity. From the start though, he was promoted as the show's second most important Rider. And, really, look at the prologue scene.

The only thing that remained the same in the end was Kaito vs Kouta. At best, Kaito's popularity might have changed the order the "triangle" was executed in the end (Micchy falling many episodes before Kaito). Takatora never had a scene with Mai though, so he obviously was never part of the triangle.

 

[Ultra Rider]

There seems to have been quite a lot of that in recent years, Date, Hayami, and Bishop were all kept on their respective shows much longer than they were intended to be there, just because of their popularity with fans. Date's understandable I guess because both he and his actor were very charismatic but the others, plus Kaito ... I guess people love a "bad boy", no matter how awful he may be?

That's surprising though, Kaito was only going to be there a few episodes? Do you have a source for that? The first episode's opening, plus the imagery in the OP, would have made me think that he was always going to be Kouta's final enemy/rival

Yeah, Doctor Birth was awesome in and out of the costume and role that is, the rest I guess benefit from the "Ouja syndrome".

Gonna have to re-search those threads, will take a while.

EDIT : Whelp, apparently 4chan deletes certain threads so hard even the archives can't have them...or some idiot provides faulty links to fresh, previous threads. Either way, can't find, should have screencapped it along with some sketches that were there, I'm an idiot. Feel free to dismiss it as "No evidence, user is pulling 4$$".

 

[Shynilyte]

You can't find the thread on archive.moe? If you have the thread's url in your history you should be able to use that to find it.

 

[Ultra Rider]

Been searching for some time, found somr of those at least :

http://archive.moe/m/thread/11407641/#11407693
http://archive.moe/m/thread/11406553/
http://archive.moe/m/thread/11506508

Really sorry for that.