Welcome to our first episode where we discuss TNG episodes “I, Borg” and “Descent”.

We know from the Star Trek Picard trailer that the Borg and specifically Hugh will play an important role in the new series. Join us as we discuss this and whether you should have someone double check your math when messing with metaphasic shielding!

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There Are Four Hosts! (A Star Trek Picard Podcast)

Episode – 01 (I, Borg and Descent parts 1 & 2)

Michael: 00:14
all right. Hello, everybody. I’m very excited because this is our first official episode of there are four hosts. We are a small collective of Trekkies, excited about the new Star Trek back Art show. I am one of your hosts, Michael. I have been a tricky for as long as I can remember. I grew up watching T and G. That was my first introduction to Star Trek. So my captain is, of course, Captain Picard. I’m very excited about the new show, To say the least. I look forward to talking about it once the show premieres. On with Me are my other hosts.

Jonathan: 00:45
Hey, I am a J or ah, just average Jake on twitch and on all the social media’s, um I also am a TNG fan. I grew up on TNG and Ah Picard is my captain as well.

Sabrina: 00:58
Yeah. Hey, everyone. I’m Sabrina. I’m a little younger than the two of you. It seems I grew up with Voyager. My first memory of Star Trek. I was like, four, and my dad dragged the mat. I was playing on over in front of the TV so that we could watch as a family. So It’s thanks to him that I love Star Trek. Um but I think I might be more obsessed than him at this point. Um, yeah, you can find me anywhere online. Ad Ford, Cat Gaming on Twitter, Instagram and Twitter.

Matthew: 01:29
Yeah, I’m known as air is the war tone twitch. And, um, my previous name was Matthew Blue Fox. It’s still Matthew Blue folks in YouTube because this is my fan fiction character. So I also rode some German fan fiction. I grew up a Star Trek the next generation men. I watched it on German television. It’s entity if the first time. So it was German duct and I it couldn’t even speak English back then. So, yeah, I started like the international broadcast. I started watching in the late nineties beginning of 2000. And yeah, that’s that’s basically my introduction to start work. And then I watched Deep Space nine Voyager Enterprise and yeah, that. That’s where I stopped watching, because the rest is Ah, a little difficult for me. But yeah, up, up to and including enterprise, everything is great. And my captain is usually Vika.

Michael: 02:26
All right. Okay. So our homework, which any time star Trek is involved in my homework. I love it. It’s not really homework, but we were watching I Borg and dissent. Parts one and two, which will, as we know, tie into the new Star Trek Picard show. Um, so who wants to go first? What did we think of Vyborg? I know we’ve probably got a bunch of times. It had been a while since I had seen it, so I watched it recently. Um, what did you guys think?

Sabrina: 03:00
I’m just breathing. At the same time, I kind of have an obsession with the concept of a I and the way that it’s written in, Uh, you know, like by humans, that humans, like robots, are always trying to become human. So, um, I particularly liked I Borg because, like, it deals with the inability to work in certain ways as the robot. But, um, Hugh developed his sense of individuality because he was cut off from other voices and not because he was attempting to be more human. And then these they, like, dealt with the other side of it. Once we hit descent where he was like, kind of the opposing figure to Lauren Data is kind of like combative issues and no offense to the writers of dissent. But I think I board is just like much more interesting in its writing. And then they kind of, like pulled them back because I boarded so well because it’s such an interesting episode that they were like, Oh, we got to bring this guy back and I love that they’re doing it again. I’m very interested to see what they’re going to do with the development of the board because obviously with you and with seven who went through the same thing, there’s gonna be a like trying to pull these creatures who are human ish. I mean, different species, whatever. And then got pulled into the drone life and then trying to revert back to our form of sentence was very interesting. So I’m excited about that, and we’re pulling out his look. You just voices always really

Michael: 04:40
fan. Yeah, I I loved how Nyborg how you could just kind of feel the cards, hatred for the board and rightfully so. Just seething. He was just like, you know, almost like, shoot him in the head, you know, let’s get it over with. But then by the end of episode. He was, you know, almost given Hugh a hug when he left. So I find it was it was a pretty good, pretty good little you know about transformation. But it’s a good shift in his attitudes towards Towards at least you, um, which I think it’s, you know, it was amazing performance by Patrick Stewart, but yeah, that zone things I I really loved watching his hatred go from hatred. Almost acceptance in the course of, you know, one episode.

Jonathan: 05:22
Yeah, well, you could say the same thing for guidance. I mean, you know, there’s there’s such a dynamic, um, difference in, I guess, in character interaction with you. I mean, you look at the Dunder Dr Crusher and you look at Jordy and they were the first ones to kind of see beyond just the drone, you know, like they they’re like, wait later,

Sabrina: 05:45
immediately. Season is a kid

Jonathan: 05:46
exactly like, Wait a minute, This there’s something more here. And Picard and Kainan, we’re not really interested in they again their hatred. The episode basically went from their hatred to an understanding of Well, there’s more to it than it’s not just black and white. There’s there’s so much more to it. And it just the dynamics and just the drama of that was really, really powerful, you know? I mean, you’ve got Jordy who is befriending him. You’ve got Dr Crusher is friend to protect him. And you’ve got a card in Jinan who are just I am. Mmm. Rightfully so with their past. I mean, the board obliterated gunman’s culture and planet, you know, and Picard was Look, you noticed, So I mean, you understand his hatred, but it’s really powerful to see that transformation from hatred to understanding and acceptance, you know? And they didn’t know what they were. What was gonna happen. Obviously not. No one did until the Senate came out. But, you know, they didn’t know what was gonna happen. So you know it It was just a very human episode. It just It kind of showed the the good and the bad of humanity because all of us have the capability of anger. We all have the capability of card hatred. Yeah, exactly the capability of, um, prejudice, you know, and just being able to get beyond that and to to come back to the human of instinctive. Well, there’s more to it than just black and white. It’s not good and bad. It’s not black and white there. There’s so many more levels or layers to to what’s going on. So it’s just a super powerful episode. I’ve always loved that episode.

Michael: 07:21
Yeah, me, too. Do you think that, um, Jordy and Beverly’s like, uh, do you think the reason they handled him differently was there because they’re approaching it from a scientific and medical, uh, stands versus pure emotion?

Sabrina: 07:36
I’d say Jordy, definitely like it started out as a kind of like a science experiment. And then the more he talked about you, like, the more he started to seem as a kid. But Bev, um, definitely, Uh, and not just in this episode. There’s bunch of episodes like that, but she’s always, you know, first and foremost, I am a doctor. I will do no harm. And if I see someone dying, I will help them. It doesn’t matter to her that he’s Bork. He’s dying. He doesn’t have anybody to help him. She’s gonna take care of him. So I think, definitely, like she’s the stain of humanity in this of the best of us. But she’s not concerned about the danger of war. S Picard as captain has the balance, the two. And he knows exactly how dangerous. The border.

Michael: 08:15
Yeah. First hand.

Sabrina: 08:17
Yeah. She just kicks into mother mode, like, immediately love it,

Jonathan: 08:21
Heiress. Actually, I’m curious about your take on it,

Sabrina: 08:24
huh?

Matthew: 08:26
Well, I was about to mention guidon and then jaded. So sorry about when my new order last. It’s always hard assed. I was a little difficult point of

Sabrina: 08:36
jumping were talking to

Matthew: 08:38
that Weren’t pointed out yet, But I like the fencing scene between big on dining because, um, she she was like, uh, showing the weakness or something. She acted like she was injured or something. And then he hesitated. And then she knocked him off like

Michael: 09:00
it was good.

Matthew: 09:01
Yeah, and she landed. Did deciding Kitten. Then she said, You know what? What does actually compassion get you? And then it’s like So I think that was the moment when, like, even Jinan was, uh When? When? When? Uh, Captain actually realized. Okay. When even guidance is interested in getting to notice individual that issue, I think then he thought it is probably gonna have to try out as well. That’s how we got into. It s I like that board because, uh, that was the deciding moment. When when Julie, actually, uh, yeah, when he got drawn into it. Then I also like this dialogue between him and Hugh and in the ready room. When, uh, he says I have acute us off pork, that you then Hewitt says the resistance is not futile. And then, like, of this entire thing. And then then, yeah, that was double screen.

Michael: 10:09
Yeah. Yeah, that the actor Jonathan del Arco did a fantastic job because, I mean, you could tell least I thought in the in the episode you could really see like him acting like a child, almost vulnerable, not sure of himself. Especially when he was talking to look, Otis. So I thought that was a good job. He did with that.

Sabrina: 10:29
You can watch him think about what’s being said to him and, like, analyze it.

Michael: 10:35
Yeah, I I loved his. His friendship that he meet almost immediately got with the majority of his concern for him both in this episode and descend I thought was really touching. So he did a fantastic job. I think

Jonathan: 10:48
I was so excited when they announced that he was going to be a part of Picard just because this character, I mean, obviously Sabrina and my screen name’s previously were of Borg, right? So we’re bored fans before our re brands. And, um, you know, Hugh, I was talking to Sabrina. Hugh wasn’t the first board, but he was the one that kind of put a face to the board. So having Hugh or having you know, Jonathan Villar go back in the mix as you just I mean, that’s like, talk about fanning, you know, like, I’m just I’m so excited. Like I’m such a fan of that character that I am just so excited. I can’t. It’s almost like I can’t stand the anticipation because I’m so excited to see what’s coming. You know,

Sabrina: 11:35
from the big the Borg were like the big the big bodies for Picard. So I mean, if you’re gonna make a show about the card, it has to be about the evolution of that, right?

Michael: 11:44
Yeah, well, we only have 75 days, 21 hours and nine. Not that I am counting down, but then I have a countdown on my phone. It all that I’m looking at right now?

Sabrina: 11:54
Uh, no, of course.

Michael: 11:56
No, I just put that on my head. So nothing. I know. I could do that in my sleep. I guess I could sleep till then. Um, So what do you guys think? It’s like you were put in that situation, which I know is kind of, you know, far fetched to, you know, for now. But, like, which would you? Who did you relate to most in that episode? You think like a card or dying in? I mean, how would you react to that? And especially, like, kind of sending this this board this kid back to essentially, like, destroy his whole race? Um, what would you guys think?

Jonathan: 12:32
I I’ve always really related to Georgie. And I think Sabrina could kind of laugh at this because she knows me pretty well, knows that I am a people person. I am a people pleaser, and I’m also very interested in fixing things or making things better, you know, so thinking of it in a a How can I like? It’s almost like, how can I big brother, this situation like, how can I be the the positive influence or the the person that can make this situation better than it could be otherwise, you know what I mean? So I’ve always really related to Jordi, especially in that episode just because his, you know, his patients, his humanity, Um, he’s an engineer, which I love, because I loved building things and working on things. So, um, you know, just I really related to Georgie and that episode

Michael: 13:25
Cool Air s serious. What about you?

Matthew: 13:31
You mean the like one particular character that set out for me in the episode?

Michael: 13:37
Yeah. Who did you relate to most in the episode?

Matthew: 13:41
I would say I would say goin’on because you could It’s like she’s another regular. But in that episode, it was like there was already disappearance she had in season two with Q Who on? And that’s where we got the background information about her like she and the Bork went way back. And, uh, that was, uh that was a nice moment for Guidon to, uh and of course, you himself as well as a guest character. But I think it was for me. It was more about these two gas characters rather than, uh, the main character stuff are not into focus of in this episode. It was really about Hugh, and for me, it was also a little bit about Guidon and the background she had with the Borg and she got she got over it. Yeah.

Michael: 14:34
Yeah. What about you, Sabrina?

Sabrina: 14:35
Difficult growth for gunman. Uh, I said that was quite some, like, beautiful growth for guidance, but uh huh. Ah, I don’t know. That’s the thing. Star Trek, for me is, like, kind of hard to compared to real life, because it’s just like so it’s much more moral, but, um, one of the reasons I do love Viborg so much is because it deals a lot with, like, the the difficulty in finding the right thing to d’oh. So I want to say, Bev, but honestly, I’d probably be more like you in this character, just like thrust in a new situation in this section, thrust in a new place without the people who usually support me, I would just, like, not know what to do until and then start, like, depending on the kindness of the people who are in the new situation. You know, I’m letting that change me. So maybe that makes me Molly Wool. Um, but I definitely connected with you the most in that particular episode. Which is why I think I was so distressed when he has, like, a very short period of time in the two parter, and he’s just immediately, like, angry at all of them because I’m like, what happened to that relationship he had with Georgie? Like, I understand why you’d be frustrated that, like, he sent back home, and then everything collapses. But, um, it felt like it kind of erased some of the progress. He admitted just to put Worf and Reicher in, like, a more tenuous situation. And that frustrated me a little, but I don’t think they’re even written by the same people. Right

Michael: 16:21
with what was that you said? I don’t think so.

Sabrina: 16:25
Yeah, I don’t think so.

Michael: 16:26
Um, yeah. I’d probably go with J on it. A ce faras relating to majority the most, you know, because I try and I tend to be very like, um, you know, factual and take stuff as I see it. So I think I would probably approach approach it his way. Although I can also, um, I also kind of understand Picard his feelings, of course, but I would like to think I would be, uh, more like Jordy and Beverly and nuts. Not like a card in war if he just wanted to kill him. But, uh, close. You never know in that situation. Um, so yeah, and then So we have at the end of that episode, asi beams up to the to the Borg ship. It kind of see him turn his head to toe majority. Kind of like a za indication that he’s still that he’s still Hugh, um, which I thought was pretty cool. And then we kind of from that point, we kind of jump into descent. Um, what did you guys think of part one?

Jonathan: 17:29
The one thing that I always the one thing that kind of bothered me about those episodes is, um, it’s the whole It’s the data motion thing. It always gets me, you know, and I understand, like, later, you know, later in the series, um, he ends up getting his emotion chip for the movies and all that stuff. You know, that’s cool, but it just It’s just so tough. Because in episodes like that. Where data is this, you know, un emotional, just very deliberate character. And then you throw in this. Hey, I’m just gonna have Laura feed him anger, and then he’s just gonna immediately flip a switch and just basically be ready to kill every single person ever. You know, like it just it’s so extreme. And it just it’s always hard for me to stomach stuff like that. Just what? Especially when you have such a respect for a character. You know what I mean,

Michael: 18:26
Right? Yeah,

Jonathan: 18:26
So that I mean, that’s I understand that it’s the writing and that it’s part of the story and they kind of had to do that. But it’s still, you know, it’s still kind of hard to stomach

Michael: 18:36
theme. Ocean Ship thing has always been his is always been kind of inconsistent, cause sometimes, you know, it seems like he already has emotions with the way he reacts to stuff. Yep, But I mean, I could overlook that because it’s track and I love it to death. But, uh, I will say, though, that Brent Spiner I mean, I loved his performance always as data. But of course, as lower as well, because I think he plays it. He plays it. He puts that kind of just enough cheese on it, you know, to make it awesome, in my opinion, you know, because he’s he’s kind, like this cheesy villain twirling his mustache almost. But at the same time, he’s kind of scary. Um, you know. So I thought I thought that was really great. That was one of my favorite parts of the two parter

Sabrina: 19:17
Laura being, like, very sure of himself, but simultaneously just very chaotically in balance is like, great. He does a fantastic job. Um, Spiner? Yeah. In regards to data’s behaviour, there was definitely, like, some level of drug addiction kind of metaphor in there. And, uh, you know, especially Tingey, um, tried to do some stuff with big subjects, is sometimes they had missteps. And I feel like that’s one of the places where they like they went too hard for kind of Ah, like, um, the dare sort of. If you touched drugs once, he will go crazy sort of thing, And it it just feels like it lacks subtlety. So I agree with you there. Definitely. Um, but yeah, they had to kind of make data that the enemy or it would have worked. But I get so sad every time I watch the scene where he injects stuff into Jordy said I’m just like, No, no, no, no, no, no, Don’t.

Michael: 20:17
Yeah, It was It was pretty intense. Um, I did. I know that, uh, you know this this the boy. You know, I was thinking about this when I was watching the episodes again about the Borg queen. I know, I know she didn’t come until first Contact, but I wonder, you know, do you guys know if there were any books or comics that kind of cover that topic Like where she was during this time? Did they go back and address that or do they just kind of say she didn’t come up until first contact?

Sabrina: 20:41
You know, books and comics like secondary cannon. I don’t really trying put too much stock in them because they disagree with themselves a lot. But honestly, the entire board queen thing was kind of weird because the board was scary because they were collective. And then they were like, they’re not really They don’t really think for themselves. They’re purely drones. with the queen. And then they went from being this scary, like, all possessive. They will turn you into one of them thing to just like on Army of ants. Kind of. Yeah, she was a fun villain. Like her. Acting is great. It is interesting that data gets given emotions twice by board to try it, control him or, you know, like, Laura wasn’t bored, but he was controlling the Borg and data simultaneously.

Michael: 21:22
Yeah, not only emotions, but like human skin is where I was always freaky

Sabrina: 21:28
What you blows on it and, like, sticks up.

Michael: 21:30
Yeah, I could’ve done without that scene.

Jonathan: 21:33
Well, they always, you know, they kind of mention it in these episodes about how, um, you know, the Borg aspired to be what data and lower our, you know, like the embodiment of perfection.

Michael: 21:46
You

Jonathan: 21:46
are. There’s something Something to the cybernetic. Yeah,

Sabrina: 21:50
100%.

Jonathan: 21:51
Yeah. So, I mean, you could see why the Borg queen if even if she doesn’t tie into it like specifically, you know, in the canon as faras, you know, books or anything like that. Um, they have multiple multiple times have stated how data and, you know any in union sings, um, soon. Um, sorry.

Matthew: 22:15
Union Singh is another

Jonathan: 22:16
one. Yeah, I know is that I always get those mixed up, and I’m like, uh I don’t know why I do that, but yes. Um, but his you know, his his Androids are too bored. Perfection, you know? So it would make sense that the queen, you know, seize him. Is that that that that comes up in these episodes even.

Michael: 22:37
Yeah, well, I thought it was interesting at the end of descent part, too. You know, they kind of implied that Hugh could maybe be the leader of the new type of Borg. So it’ll be interesting to see if they address that in the new Siri’s, You know, like, what happens and like if they even mentioned the Borg queen or how that all fit together, I

Sabrina:
22:56
hope it’s direct, directly referenced by making him literally just the leader of the independent Borden. He’s doing it with, like, Jerry Ryan, you know?

Michael: 23:06
Oh, that would be cool. But that’s the

Matthew: 23:08
thing, because it was never picked up again after this two parter like you was never mentioned again. Andi. Yeah. So I’m really looking forward to seeing a solve this in the in the Star Trek pick our show. Uh, What? I just thought we’re I think we’re still talking mainly about the sand. Part one is that I just never really got how and, like, the logic and how it was possible for Lord like to transfer these emotions to data. Of course, through Croesus, we saw that when Croesus was in the four and the break there, but it’s still a little cheap. No, no. Yeah, I saw it like, Okay, um, that could have done a little bit on maybe a little more creatively, I don’t know, but it just happened. And then it was like, Okay, but that’s why I think this end Part two was way better than poor one.

Sabrina: 24:07
It’s only on more action.

Michael: 24:09
Yeah, Yeah, I think

Matthew: 24:10
it’s also because Beverly finally gets to command the enterprise.

Michael: 24:15
They go,

Sabrina: 24:15
I actually like they’re not a huge part of it, but I really I really like what’s going on on the bridge with, like, the ensign and the lieutenant, uh, that are normally not They’re just like it’s nice. So my favorite trek episodes have, like, a bunch of guest star spots. And that’s one of the ones that have a bunch of guests are spots and really give them a chance to shine on characters that we haven’t seen already. And it’s

Jonathan: 24:40
Yeah, well, the whole sunspot thing where they, you know, take out the type three ship just with the sun, you know, just vibration ship. I mean, you know, and the banter and almost the the discontent between the security lieutenant and then the incident and how she’s like, Well, you know, this is what I did my thesis on. And he’s like, Well, if Jesus isn’t really real life kind of stuff And then she got to prove herself and earned his respect, which just is super, super cool. You know?

Sabrina: 25:11
You know both sides here. I really love that scene and how he smiles at the end, but definitely just in general, they should have just had somebody double check her math real fast, like,

Matthew: 25:21
yeah, like, it was really sweet when he said, like,

Michael: 25:23
no offense,

Matthew: 25:25
she did it. She did it. Work destroyed, sir. Nothing like that. First to a smiley. She didn’t. You know, it was like four ships destroyed. Computer just

Michael: 25:36
double check the math geek.

Matthew: 25:38
Lieutenant Barnaby. An instant Tate. Thank

Sabrina: 25:42
you. No offense to her. She’s a genius. Like the fact that she even came up with the ideas. Like, Yeah, your feet. Yeah, she’s a cute about. But I mean, double check your map. It’s just that you should be doing anyway.

Jonathan: 25:54
Well, and

Michael: 25:54
it’s like you go,

Jonathan: 25:55
Go ahead. I’m sorry.

Michael: 25:57
You say it was like, you go to the doctor and they say You got three months to live. I’m gonna double check that. That’s just me.

Jonathan: 26:02
Yeah, Agreed. Well, and

Sabrina: 26:04
is the safety

Jonathan: 26:05
just an even just talking about double checking math and stuff like that? The whole medicated metaphysics shielding, You know that? You know, I mean, that was obviously brought in, brought it up on da part of the season previously, but it’s still one of those things were Hey, this has not been tested. Let’s fly into the sun

Michael: 26:24
to test it. Theo Enterprise,

Sabrina: 26:29
it was do that. They just want to add tension like we don’t know if it’ll work. Oh, but it works. Yeah, I know you’re

Matthew: 26:35
thinking Beverly because it was at a moment when Beverly doesn’t want the episode where Beverly almost left Starfleet because of this made a fast made A basic thing. There she is. She was under investigation because, like, she, uh uh uh been an abduction off Dr Ragan like this for rinky guy. And that was cool. This was also brought back because she was in command of the end of presently, remember? Oh, we still have this metaphysics program there That hasn’t been tested yet, But we could try it out. You know that.

Sabrina: 27:05
Especially since it’s, like, not at all her specialty.

Michael: 27:09
Right?

Jonathan: 27:09
And what?

Michael: 27:10
That Zahabi Isaac shielding. There you go. Tap dancing. You.

Jonathan: 27:17
And what’s cool about it, though, to is, you know, she, um So there are obviously people are going to say, Oh, man, Dr Crusher is in charge of the enterprise, you know, like even us viewers watching it, you know, it’s It’s like, Okay, we’re kind of second guessing here because she’s not really who were used to being in the commander.

Sabrina: 27:36
Typically, you would not put your chief medical officer in a commanding role just because you didn’t need the doctor to be the doctor. Yes, but forget that. That’s a different

Matthew: 27:45
so far. Except except for this ea ch

Michael: 27:49
the Emergency command home. My God.

Sabrina: 27:51
Yeah, yeah, but that’s because there was nobody else left.

Michael: 27:55
I love that. That was great. Talk about that later.

Jonathan: 27:59
Exactly. That will be for another wager. No, we’re

Sabrina: 28:02
gonna do another one talking about Jerry Ryan. I mean,

Jonathan: 28:06
hello. Oh, yeah. Um, no. But it’s just it’s interesting that, you know, of all people she’s put in command, we’re not used to it. She pulls this thing out of a hat, basically, is like, Oh, let’s use metaphysics shielding. You know, it’s just it’s just this whole, like, uncomfortable of, okay, You’re the commander now, And you’re using these shields that have never been tested.

Sabrina: 28:31
And the people on the bridge have never been on the bridge before.

Jonathan: 28:34
Yeah. Yeah.

Michael: 28:35
Is that

Jonathan: 28:35
this pure uncomfortable? You know,

Michael: 28:38
was that was that was there so many of the crew that was on the planet that they couldnt deals?

Sabrina: 28:42
Yeah. Um, and actually, that’s the other thing in my board. There’s a lot of, you know I was talking about earlier about how bad does the doctor thing. And she’s like, the first thing I care about is helping this patient. Um, she sends them back into a dangerous situation to make sure that they get everybody off. That planet does not care. Yes, the border. Very dangerous, but we’re going back to get her crew. That’s it. 47 people, I think.

Michael: 29:09
I thought she did a good job.

Matthew: 29:11
That had to be 47.

Jonathan: 29:13
I don’t know. Um I don’t know if we’ve established rules as faras language, so you know, we’ll have to figure that out, but just throw it out there. Beverly Beverly was a bad ass.

Michael: 29:23
Yeah, I think

Sabrina: 29:26
it’s still a bad word about us.

Michael: 29:29
I did when I listed us in the podcast directors. I did say explicit language so we could go crazy. Whatever we want. Tokyo. Okay,

Jonathan: 29:37
um, what I was gonna bring up to, though, um, is the whole the captain not going on away missions thing that kind of goes,

Michael: 29:44
Oh, yes.

Jonathan: 29:45
That kind of goes out the window. This episode, like, right off the bat. No one, even like, checks him on it. No one even calls him out. Like a lot of times. Reicher would call amount. Be like, sir, that’s your data or you know, like, sir, that Booth. Yeah, but, man, this these episodes just straight up. Picard was like, Let’s go. And he’s

Michael: 30:03
from almost every episode. They have the chief medical officer of the chief security captain all going down almost on an away mission. So it’s Yeah, they never abide by that rule book. It’s

Matthew: 30:13
very similar to camp.

Jonathan: 30:16
Similar to whom? I’m sorry.

Matthew: 30:19
Sorry. We spoke together. I was trusting. It was so very similar to gambit were also like pecan Reicher. Both were away, and the data took him in. So it was

Sabrina: 30:28
It

Matthew: 30:28
was a pretty similar situation.

Sabrina: 30:32
Yep. You’re right.

Jonathan: 30:33
Yep. I’m seeing a theme. Seeing the theme from Card what, 20 years later?

Sabrina: 30:39
Well, you brought it up. Um, what are your theories about the cards, my friend. What’s the card about,

Michael: 30:46
Um, about the best captain that ever. No, I

Sabrina: 30:50
can go first if you want me to

Michael: 30:52
go ahead.

Sabrina: 30:52
I’m theory. All right. So, um, they showed us at his Winehouse. Lovely puppy, Doc. Um, for those of you at home, they already know. But, um, I my rule is if I know I’m gonna watch something that I don’t want a trailer for it cause it’s just an ad for the thing I already know. I’m gonna watch. And so I’m just like making it straight off up to chop my head, plus the poster that I saw. But it seems like most likely Picard has retired. So my hope is, even if it’s chalice, whatever my hope is that he retired and then they put him in a position of, um like I can’t believe I forgot the sort Ambassador he’s the because of his position is le que tous. He’s now the ambassador with the Borg collection that’s growing with you, the individual Borg. And then they have to, you know, they’re working together to be part of the federation. Maybe, uh, we’ll see and against, like, the collective itself and seven of nine will be on their side, obviously. So that’s what I’m hoping for. We’ll see what happens.

Michael: 31:57
That’s Yeah, I like that. Even if it wasn’t what that was, you should, you know, propose that idea to him and see what they think for, like Season two

Sabrina: 32:06
ambassadorship, because, I mean, that’s the card he’s level headed. He listens to all the sides. Even if he disagrees with them before he makes any decisions. He’s very careful about what he thinks the possible downfalls of things are and like the benefits. So he’ll definitely think heavily about what’s going on. And he’s surrounded by intelligent people who will help him. I just hope it’s gonna be more content and less fancy wrist.

Jonathan: 32:34
Well, so one thing that threw out there because I know you haven’t watched trailers, and you haven’t really followed it, So I hope like that. I think me and Beetle and a resort all kind of worried like, Okay, we hope we don’t, like ruin anything for avoid cat, but yeah, but basically, yeah, they mentioned that this isn’t the same captain, so they kind of said, hey, right, This they’re gonna be some differences. He’s gonna be a little bit, you know, he might be a little bit colder or a little bit more jaded. Or that something happened to to kind of change him from where he was at thea nemesis to where he is now. Um so

Michael: 33:17
it’s been 30 years,

Jonathan: 33:19
and part of what I’m hoping is that whatever journey this is, it brings him back to our captain. Do you see what I’m saying? Like he straightaway. Yeah, he had. He’s He’s become annotated. Exactly. Toe like to help him bring his his Starfleet Corps back and his humanity back. You know,

Sabrina: 33:39
I think that would be awesome, because kind of my issue with with the discovery of the first season very much was that it kind of did away with the the The Star Trek was all about for me and like morality and making the right decision in the face of difficulty. And I feel like they just went real dark and I’m concerned, and I understand it’s because of the way that television is changing right now. And I’m really concerned that they made those decisions about the CART because of what’s popular right now on television and not

Michael: 34:09
because the

Sabrina: 34:09
story that needs to be told. So I’m with you. I really hope that’s what’s gonna happen. I’m just very anxious also.

Michael: 34:17
Yes, I’m cautiously optimistic, but I hope we get it if nothing else, that we need to see some of the cards you know, famous no, not famous speeches. But I hope we can see him do some more speeches that Q loves I’m of those

Matthew: 34:33
from I, for one, hope that it’s really going to be better than discovery and trick J J Track. So I think I have I have much higher hopes already in this big car. Siri’s just for the trailer that I saw. This is already like, this is big time. And what I what? I thought maybe the cooperative or this unit matrix zero movement could also play a role in this new Bork. A future announce

Michael: 34:59
and thought about that.

Matthew: 35:01
Yeah. Um, yeah, That’s, um that would be nice. Like having, like unit 60 but destroyed. But I think the mind still are living on. I’m not sure, but I don’t know what happened there at the end. I have to re watched that every so. But I think that this the this hidden spirit is still there. And the cooperative obviously still access it exists and started online so it could also exist in Star Trek. The car you never know.

Michael: 35:29
That’s a That’s a good idea. I think one thing we settle for sure is that we should all be writing for the new show right way. Have some great

Sabrina: 35:36
army. Immediately,

Matthew: 35:38
they should hire separated for sure.

Sabrina: 35:40
They should hired me to be in it and write it. Yeah.

Michael: 35:42
There you go.

Matthew: 35:44
Yeah. And play the Borg queen.

Michael: 35:46
Yeah.

Sabrina: 35:46
Okay. The young new point.

Jonathan: 35:48
I’m thinking the Borg queen. Okay, but I’m thinking the showrunner. I mean,

Sabrina: 35:53
Okay, you guys, stop.

Matthew: 35:56
Put out the home. Yeah, I

Sabrina: 35:58
can’t handle it. Oh, hey, you guys are here anyway. Hire me. Hire me.

Michael: 36:05
Yeah. It’s like you and however many other people, right?

Sabrina: 36:09
Yeah, exactly. No

Matthew: 36:10
one’s your twitch, partner. Things might get. Mind changing. Yeah.

Sabrina: 36:13
Let me get there. We all have.

Jonathan: 36:19
You know, I actually have a question to you. Is, um John Delancey. You guys think you is going to make an appearance?

Michael: 36:27
That’s interesting. I’ve heard I’ve heard rumors, but who? I mean, that’s who knows. It would be interesting as long as they did it the right way. Of course.

Sabrina: 36:35
Of course.

Michael: 36:35
Yeah, yeah, but

Sabrina: 36:36
I mean,

Jonathan: 36:36
you know that encounter Farpoint, he I mean, like, he kind of started.

Sabrina: 36:42
It’s ever felt we ran in. His

Matthew: 36:44
goal was always there. I mean, he was the first episode. He was the last episode. So it would be fun to see him in the car, So Yeah,

Michael: 36:53
and he did introduce us to the board. So every dinner. Absolutely.

Sabrina: 36:57
Didn’t I? I don’t think he was gonna be in it. And let me tell you why Q was amazing for episodic shows. Because you can pop in an episode and just have, like, a really ridiculous, you know, Peter Pan or Robin Hood kind of episode. But with the way that we’re doing everything now, being a like one story instead of episodic like, it looks like the card is most likely going to be like that, too. It’s very difficult to have a no overpowered character like you be in a continuing story like that.

Michael: 37:26
Yeah, maybe a flashback. It would be

Sabrina: 37:30
fun. I would like John Lennon said you’d pop up. I just don’t think it’s likely. Okay.

Michael: 37:35
Well, there won’t be a grandma. I was really good. We did have a couple other TMG actors show up in the trailer. I don’t know. I don’t want to ruin it for you, Sabrina, but, um,

Sabrina: 37:47
I’ve heard.

Michael: 37:48
Okay, So I am really excited to see them come back. Yeah, even it’s just for like, a short little scene like that. I think that’ll be really cool to see them together again.

Sabrina: 37:58
I definitely want Picard’s old crew to still be supporting him in life like there’s no reason why he should be there, captain for seven years. You know, he’s the reason that Reicher is the man that he is kind of because remember, there was all those times when they were, like, wrecker. You should move on and being Captain. And he’s like, No, I think I will learn more staying here. Um, to give up on that relationship will be ridiculous. And for data, to not be friends with the card anymore would be ridiculous. Although I know it’s difficult for Brent Spiner because he he stopped playing in ages ago because he was worried he looked too old. But well,

Michael: 38:33
with the technology they have now, they could make him look young, which you know

Sabrina: 38:36
is true.

Matthew: 38:38
That’s probably why he agreed to return. I know,

Jonathan: 38:42
I know. Spoiler alert. Sabrina. I

Sabrina: 38:45
know. I know. I know. I’m gonna shit posting group. It’s not

Michael: 38:49
possible. There you go.

Jonathan: 38:51
Yeah, all right. But no, I think

Sabrina: 38:53
it’s okay. The spoils don’t bother me. It’s the way that the story is told. Not the things that are in the story. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah,

Jonathan: 38:59
Yeah, that makes

Sabrina: 39:00
the journey.

Jonathan: 39:01
Yes. You know, one thing, actually, that I think is really fun where we’re at in Al Verses. When TNG was first airing and even up to the last episode, because I don’t think I don’t think Jonathan Frakes was directing until, uh, he did first contact. Yeah, I think. I mean, I might be mistaken. I know he did a couple he directed for the show Roswell and stuff, but I think that was after first Contact. But having Reicher, the person that plays Reicher be a director on the Siri’s, just like I feel like that’s such a powerful like, I think I mean, there’s, you know, you have someone who

Sabrina: 39:39
plays somebody there that understands Berman

Jonathan: 39:42
and that loves the Lord and the characters because he was one, you know? I mean, he likes so having Jonathan Frakes and the director chair, and I know it’s not every episode, but I mean just having him there as a resource. I mean, that’s that’s huge, you know, because he gets it. He’s He was one of them. And he is now one of them, as well as the man behind the camera, you know?

Matthew: 40:06
And he directed the most successful cinema movie you have suffered?

Jonathan: 40:11
Absolutely. Yeah, so I mean, Jonathan Frakes is I mean, he’s I honestly I s Oh, Patrick Stewart is my favorite actor of all time. Like hands down As far as, like, theater and movies and drama and comedy, he could

Sabrina: 40:24
do anything to play with a minute.

Jonathan: 40:25
Uh, the him and, uh, Ian McKellen were doing their play in Berkeley for a long time

Sabrina: 40:32
of the Shakespeare one, but

Jonathan: 40:35
but nonetheless, like he’s but just theatrically stage or screen. He’s amazing. And Jonathan Frakes was always It’s It’s funny, but you know, when you’re like a young boy there, you know a teenager and you see Reicher, who’s basically the heartthrob, you know, you’re like, Okay, like, that’s who I want to be if I’m on TNT. So you know, you have this, like, this view of Reicher as this, like ladies man, that is just this suave guy that you that you want to grow into and now you know what I mean. So, like Patrick, so is my favorite actor. But Reicher is who I wanted to be on the show.

Sabrina: 41:11
Why

Michael: 41:12
I stopped trying to be like Reicher when I tried to sit down and shares like him and broke my legs. That was

Jonathan: 41:20
well played.

Matthew: 41:21
The writer maneuver. Well,

Michael: 41:23
just the record.

Jonathan: 41:24
Well played.

Michael: 41:28
Okay, so I think we’re all pretty excited about the card we have. Hang on. 75 days, 20 hours, 39 minutes to go.

Sabrina: 41:37
Okay, hold on, hold on. I would talk, but you’re around for a second.

Jonathan: 41:39
I love

Matthew: 41:40
it.

Sabrina: 41:43
It is related to what you were saying about Jonathan Frakes in an interview about actually, I forget what it was about, probably about her relationship with someone in the show. But I’m Jeri, Ryan said in an interview, said that part of the things with TV shows is that the actor becomes the guardian of their character because, like writers, rooms are a little different now. But it used to be like you’d have different writers and then different directors, and they’re all trying to do different things with your characters. And you have to be like here’s what’s important about my character, Um, and having Jonathan Frakes be a director, not only somebody who worked on Star Trek, but the fact that he understands exactly that that, like the way that he had to be the representative wrecker and stuff. I think that will help it done. Um, just at what Jay was saying why it’s even cooler than he’s there. Go Franks. Plus, it’s good for Frank because I just remember him talking about, like how he got locked in AA TV movie kind of directing jail. And so I said, they’re giving him more stuff to d’oh

Michael: 42:51
Oh, yeah, definitely.

Sabrina: 42:52
I mean, I love the librarians. They were really funny.

Matthew: 42:56
I can’t wait for the outtakes because Frakes is the king. Off, out X

Jonathan: 43:00
Oh, yeah, he’s so good. He’s like Jonathan Frakes. He’s He’s so good. I just,

Michael: 43:07
uh it’s funny. I read an article where he was actually having a lot of anxiety about directing for a card. So even with everything, even with everything under his belt, he still gets a little anxious, which is good because that means he’s still cares about the material. So it’s exciting.

Sabrina: 43:28
Then I was happy to know that people that I care about are getting more work? Yeah.

Michael: 43:31
Oh, yeah. You think?

Jonathan: 43:39
Yeah. It’s just I’m sorry. I’m just taking it all in, like it’s just so exciting That literally cannot wait for the show.

Sabrina: 43:46
I mentioned that. You’re just, like, bouncing up and down.

Jonathan: 43:48
Yeah, you know me pretty well.

Sabrina: 43:53
I can’t do it, cause otherwise we’ll just anything else you want to talk about today?

Michael: 44:03
Uh, no, I think we’re good. Thank you guys. This was a lot of fun.

Jonathan: 44:07
Yeah,

Sabrina: 44:07
it’s gonna continue being a lot of fun. Still, record comes out, and then it’s either gonna continue being a lot of fun or we’re just gonna have a lot of meltdowns.

Michael: 44:14
Yeah, well, I can’t screw up. The show sucks Gas. I

Jonathan: 44:19
mean, meltdowns. That’s that’s good content. Right there. So

Michael: 44:22
there you go. Get it on there.

Jonathan: 44:24
That’s what. No