Why no super robot love?

Oedipus 3000

They call her one-eye
I've been noticing that of all the Anime genres, the one which gets the less attention overall and not a lot of love is the super robot genre. This happens more on the english-speaking fandom then most others honestly and I don't know why.

With every single show getting fansubs left and right, some three or four groups subbing the same show, you still can't find any subs of most of the classic super robot shows. it might be because their harder to find or whatnot, but I found fansubs of Urusei Yatsura and Doreamon so that might not just be it.

I feel obligated to mention the Elephant in the room, saying most anime fans don't want to watch these shows on the basis that they deem them childish and juvenile and wish to endeavor into the most serious work such as Love Hina, Dears, Ikkitousen and such. I don't wish to say it but it seems more and more likely. People don't want to just watch something because it's fun, but because it makes them look cool or hip while watching it (one reason why I think Cowboy bebop was/is so popular.)

I don't mean to sound like some whiny little brat or anything, I'm honestly curious why with so many fansubs, licenced anime easily available, so on and so forth, there's only about 20 episodes of Getter robo and none of Mazinger Z in english yet theirs available subs of Akikan.
 
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KouAidou

二番目の翻訳者
I think the main problem is that the USA just didn't get all the Super Robot shows that Latin America and Asia got. The only Super Robot show that ever made it big over here is GoLion/Voltron.

Vis-a-vis your other question, I think the problem with such as Getter and Mazinger isn't so much that they're juvenile, but just that they're old. And long. It takes a lot of willpower to stick around for a 52+ episode series, and even more when the show isn't one that's currently airing. Stuff like Akikan gets subbed purely because it's new, and anything new will rack up mad hits on a group's torrent site.

So it's basically the same problem the Showa Riders and Ultraman series have. Just not enough fan interest where really rabid fan interest is needed to make it through.
 

wildwolf

Member
Super Robot anime is my most favorite genre. Honestly, I'm so obsessed with it that I've seen most SR shows since the 70's.

While I would want subs, especially for the more obscure ones, I'm fine with just watching them raw since I get the LDs and DVD box sets.
 

Oedipus 3000

They call her one-eye
True but it shouldn't stop people nowadays from bringing up an interest into the shows and making subs available. If memory serves me correctly, America never got Saint Seiya untill 2002 (or some year close to that.) yet it did not stop an interest into that show. Also, This genres cousin Real robo, usually has most of it's shows subbed and ready to go (All of Gundam, Ideon, Votoms, Dunbine and so on.) all have Fansubs on them. I see you point and agree to an extent but I just don't see that's the whole of it.

Also, if I offended you with the echi joke I apologize. I enjoy it enough sometimes but you should agree, shows such as Reideen kinda deserve a fansub more then some of those shows did.
 

KouAidou

二番目の翻訳者
Oh, trust me, I agree. I'm sorry that didn't come through -- I'm as big a Super Robot fan as they come. (I would love to get a full run of Gaiking in high quality and sub it). I guess I was adopting a sort of "sad but true" kind of tone.

Saint Seiya did have some fan interest in the US, but bear in mind that the show completely bombed when they actually imported it. Part of this was just mismanagement of the property, but a lot of it was that Cartoon Network had already shown Ronin Warriors, which is basically a shinier and newer version of the same thing. The US really missed the window they would have needed to air Saint Seiya and make it a big hit.

So I'm not sure if a generation that came to Super Robots via fansubs of such like the Mazinkaiser OAVs and Gaiking Neo would really have the patience to sit through the older versions of those shows, which are mostly fun just because of their historic significance and how cracktastically original they are. IIRC, some groups have tried to prestige sub Mazinger Z and ended up giving up in light of how bizarre and episodic it was.
 

Wonderwall

Webslinger
^ I agree, mecha was a lot popular back in the 90s and the years below but now its sort of dead. I love the mecha genre but I think that there is no love for it and less subbers for it because of the so-called "popular" anime today which revolves around comedy, slice of life, school girls, crazy and over-the-board fanservice, and did I forget to mention school girls? Oedipus I hate to say this but I think your best bet would be to wait for the dub version or patiently wait for subs. :disappoin
 

wildwolf

Member
@Dark Kabuto,

Super Robot Taisen OG: The Inspector
Infinite Stratos
Star Driver: Kagayaki no Tact
Macross Frontier ~Sayonara no Tsubasa~
Soukyuu no Fafner: Dead Aggressor - Heaven and Earth
Gothicmade -Hana no Utame-
 

MSZ010

Member
Just for the record Mazinger Z did come to states many moons ago as Tranzor Z

It's just that when it comes to the Mecha Genre that outside of whats in Code Geass, Gundam, and shows of that nature most of the company's that release anime don't wanna risk money on a fickle American audience.

I mean look at GaoGaiGar they had started to dub the show then just said heck with it and just subbed the rest of the show.
 

bigone

Senshi no Hikari
this is my fave genre by far
form Mazinger to Grendizer

Sunrise could make a super robot show but thay have not done so since 98
Gao Gai Gar Gundam is Real Robot

not counting reboots there as not been a Super Robot for 8 Years

Why is this
 

wildwolf

Member
Sunrise could make a super robot show but thay have not done so since 98 Gao Gai Gar

GaoGaiGar aired in 1997.

Sunrise had some SR shows after GGG:
- Z-Mind (1999)
- The Big O (1999)
- Dendoh (2000)
- Machine Robo Rescue (2003)
 

Icefish

Member
I mean look at GaoGaiGar they had started to dub the show then just said heck with it and just subbed the rest of the show.

Was that due to low DVD sales or because they were so drained after all that work on the Voltron box set?

not counting reboots there as not been a Super Robot for 8 Years

2002
  • RahXephon
  • Gravion
2003
  • Godannar
  • Machine Rescue Robo
2004
  • Top wo Nerae 2! Diebuster
  • Gravion Zwei
  • Panda-Z
2005
  • Genesis of Aquarion
  • Gaiking: The Legend of Daiku-Maryu
  • Super Robot Wars Original Generation: The Animation
2006
  • Demonbane
  • Zegapain
  • Super Robot Wars Original Generation: Divine Wars
2007
  • Heroic Age
  • Jūsō Kikō Dancougar Nova
  • Kotetsushin Jeeg
  • Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann
  • Bokurano
 

Dark Kabuto

In Justice, We Trust!
Was that due to low DVD sales or because they were so drained after all that work on the Voltron box set?



2002
  • RahXephon
  • Gravion
2003
  • Godannar
  • Machine Rescue Robo
2004
  • Top wo Nerae 2! Diebuster
  • Gravion Zwei
  • Panda-Z
2005
  • Genesis of Aquarion
  • Gaiking: The Legend of Daiku-Maryu
  • Super Robot Wars Original Generation: The Animation
2006
  • Demonbane
  • Zegapain
  • Super Robot Wars Original Generation: Divine Wars
2007
  • Heroic Age
  • Jūsō Kikō Dancougar Nova
  • Kotetsushin Jeeg
  • Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann
  • Bokurano


this is my fave genre by far
form Mazinger to Grendizer

Sunrise could make a super robot show but thay have not done so since 98
Gao Gai Gar Gundam is Real Robot

not counting reboots there as not been a Super Robot for 8 Years

Why is this


You REALLY need to start doing your research man....


And GaoGaiGar a real robot...? Really? :sly::sly:
 

Icefish

Member
I think he was trying to say was "Sunrise could make a super robot show, but thay have not done so since 98's Gao Gai Gar. Gundam is Real Robot."

But still, yeah. That list omitted remakes, re-imaginings, and a few things I wasn't sure would count to his "no supers since '98" claim. Even with those left out...that's still a hefty amount of super robots.
 

MSZ010

Member
Well the issue with Gao Gai Gar was both they were focusing on giving us a perfect voltron dvd release & the series wasn't selling like it should have.

Honestly though I had a hard time finding Gao Gai Gar when it was being released to dvd.
 

bigone

Senshi no Hikari
You REALLY need to start doing your research man....


And GaoGaiGar a real robot...? Really? :sly::sly:

no all Yuusha franchise shows are Super robo in my eyes for the same reason Eva is not a real robot anime so i say GGG is a Super robo

if a mech can talk or has it own independent bonding procedure its a Super robot
 

bigone

Senshi no Hikari
Was that due to low DVD sales or because they were so drained after all that work on the Voltron box set?



2002
  • RahXephon
    need to watch
  • Gravion
    ok
2003
  • Godannar
  • Machine Rescue Robo
2004
  • Top wo Nerae 2! Diebuster [continuation of a sires]
  • Gravion Zwei
  • Panda-Z
    ha ha ha
2005
  • Genesis of Aquarion
  • Gaiking: The Legend of Daiku-Maryu[[continuation]
  • Super Robot Wars Original Generation: The Animation
2006
  • Demonbane
  • Zegapain
  • Super Robot Wars Original Generation: Divine Wars
    not so much a new thing just a collection of Older mechs
2007
  • Heroic Age
  • Jūsō Kikō Dancougar Nova
  • Kotetsushin Jeeg{re boot]
  • Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann{real robo] Eva rip off]
  • Bokurano[ i never knew thay made an anime of Bokurano: Ours i give that a watch give that a watch


they worked on a Butchered super robo show i a huge Golion fan o]i dislike voltron and robotech
 

Icefish

Member
Okay, first off you said "other than remakes." That said nothing about about continuations/sequels. Panda-Z...yeah, it's a parody, but it's a parody of a super robot. The SRWs I'll go ahead and agree that they shouldn't really be on that list since they've got just as many reals as supers. Kotetsushin Jeeg's actually a sequel, not a reboot (I had to double check that one myself). And Gurren Lagann as a real robot show....the ****? How on earth can you consider a mech that ends up using GALAXIES as cover a real robot? And for that matter, how the hell is it an Eva ripoff? Can it even be considered a ripoff, since it was made by the same people?

Regardless of that, RahXephon's good...though you'll probably think it's an Eva ripoff as well.
 

Lynxara

Nice post!!
And for that matter, how the hell is it an Eva ripoff? Can it even be considered a ripoff, since it was made by the same people?

Same production studio is not the same people, necessarily. I don't think a single major member of the Evangelion production team worked on Gurren-Lagann. That was mostly the team that did Abenobashi and Top wo Nerae 2.

That said, describing Gurren-Lagann as an Evangelion knockoff is basically insane. It doesn't use any characters, concepts, motifs, plotlines, or even visual sequences that are remotely like Evangelion's.

Gurren-Lagann is not a ripoff of anything made after about 1979 or so. What G-L was about was updating the feel of the peak Super Robot shows of the 70s for a new audience, with more complex plots and more characters.

Regardless of that, RahXephon's good...though you'll probably think it's an Eva ripoff as well.

I have to side against you here, good sir. Rahxephon reuses numerous visual sequences, plots, motifs, and character concepts from Evangelion. Japanese fans even broadly consider it an Evangelion clone and, generally, Japanese fans are more indulgent of shows ripping off other shows.

It's very weird because when BONES did Rahxephon they explicitly considered it a remake of Brave Reideen. There are some concepts and characters in Rahxephon that are 1-to-1 correspondences with Reideen. The emphasis on singing is clearly a stylish update of the concepts behind Reideen's famous God Voice ability.

I can only presume that at the time BONES produced Rahxephon, someone on staff decided that the only way to update a property was to make it more like Evangelion. It's a shame, though, all of the parts of Rahxephon that went into Evangelion's territory are easily the worst. If it had stuck to its guns as a Reideen remake I think it could've been a much better show.
 
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