Transformers: The Movie

SaikoDragon

It's Judgement Time!
The last time I heard someone make comments like Spielberg did, we got Jar Jar.

I dont see how that's relevant. Steven is nothing like Lucas and Bumblebee (even in this movie incarnation from what we can tell by interviews, reaction articles, and clips) is nothing like Jar Jar Binks.

On a side note, once I get my room set up, I'm thinking of doing some vids, mostly doing character studies on various TF characters.

Oh boy.. Here we go. Studies? All you have to do is watch a few episodes and you'll know them all. Their personalities were never deeper than what they showed you. There was no subtlety in the old Transformers cartoon so why would you need to do studies.. What would be the point of studies, btw? There are probably a dozen TF fanboy sites out there who have already done your job. Including comic and cartoon bios. You're just trying to give yourself a sense of righteousness over the production of the movie by saying "I know more about Geewun than you do, Bay! So my opinion MATTERS!"

Sorry JABR if Im sounding like an ass, I know you mean well. Just saying.
 

Skyknight

Lurker
There was no subtlety in the old Transformers cartoon

Wrong. As usual.

Don't listen to him JABR, watch those episodes, you'll find those characters. And yes, whilst there ARE TF fans, who have done plenty of reserch already, nothing beats examining the characters whilst having fun watching the older episodes. There's no "righteous" act in that, just the actions of a real fan
 
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NeoRanger

Member
And you know this how? When did you become the producer for the movie, or did you just ask Bay directly how he hoped the audiences would react?
When the film gives you a bunch of alien robots strictly from the humans POV with only a handful of lines and no characterization, it's not hard to deduce what it's trying to do.

The problem is, not everyone is going JUST for the explosions. There are actually some people who look for movies to have good stories.
No kidding! What do you think my problem is? I'm one of those people.
 

MSZ010

Member
Now steven has had his share of bad luck movie wise.
Howard The Duck anyone. Granted this is one of his films he wish would vanish.

And some of the old g1 figs had personality. For ex. Hound, & Beachcomber to name a few.
 

JFC

♥ 大好き ♥
When the film gives you a bunch of alien robots strictly from the humans POV with only a handful of lines and no characterization, it's not hard to deduce what it's trying to do.
You're not deducing though. You're just guessing based on what you are personally expecting from the few scenes (which amount to less than 10 min of acutal footage) that have been shown in previews. You don't know what was going on in their minds when they were making this movie. Unless you were actually there or unless you actually talked to them face to face and they told you, there's no way you could.


In the end, not everyone's going to be satisfied with how it turns out, no matter how much discussion takes place. The best thing that people should do, bottom line, is try to hold off on making their judgements/preconceptions for now as best they can and actually just watch the movie when it comes out. If you genuinely like it then, then you do, if not, then you don't.
 
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I dont see how that's relevant. Steven is nothing like Lucas and Bumblebee (even in this movie incarnation from what we can tell by interviews, reaction articles, and clips) is nothing like Jar Jar Binks.

But Bumblebee doesn't sound or come across like the Bumblebee we know and I don't know how he is characterized is going to translate well.

Oh boy.. Here we go. Studies? All you have to do is watch a few episodes and you'll know them all. Their personalities were never deeper than what they showed you. There was no subtlety in the old Transformers cartoon so why would you need to do studies.. What would be the point of studies, btw? There are probably a dozen TF fanboy sites out there who have already done your job. Including comic and cartoon bios. You're just trying to give yourself a sense of righteousness over the production of the movie by saying "I know more about Geewun than you do, Bay! So my opinion MATTERS!"

Sorry JABR if Im sounding like an ass, I know you mean well. Just saying.

Well that is your opinion and I respect it and yes there is some truth to what you're saying since I would be giving my opinion of what the character is but I do think you're generalizing to some degree on the characters.

Take Hound for example. He's very different from the rest of the Autobots in some important ways.
 

Hariken

For The Greater Justice...
But Bumblebee doesn't sound or come across like the Bumblebee we know and I don't know how he is characterized is going to translate well.


That's the thing though... He's not the Bumblebee we know. It's not G1. He's supposed to be different from the Bumblebee we're familiar with.


JustAnotherBlueRanger said:
Take Hound for example. He's very different from the rest of the Autobots in some important ways.


Same as above. I'm sure the Autobots and Decepticons are gonna have stark and contrasting personalities but they're not supposed to be the ones we're all familiar with. The movie is it's own thing, it's own universe and continuity. It's not a live action version of G1.
 

SaikoDragon

It's Judgement Time!
But Bumblebee doesn't sound or come across like the Bumblebee we know and I don't know how he is characterized is going to translate well.



Well that is your opinion and I respect it and yes there is some truth to what you're saying since I would be giving my opinion of what the character is but I do think you're generalizing to some degree on the characters.

Take Hound for example. He's very different from the rest of the Autobots in some important ways.

Well we havent seen the movie though, have we. So it's unfair to the movie to judge Bumblebee so early. He might be just as great and likeable as the G1 version. In fact, I'm going to bet on it. He's never going to be or emulate the original G1 Bumble. He isnt the original bumblebee. He's a new one, a different one. But I think he'll be just as fun and entertaining.

I'm not trying to generalize the characters of G1. I know they are all diverse, but there's nothing to study about them. The characters are paper thin, you could read them like a book in their respective episodes. You got the "head strong autobot" the "Gruff but loveable autobot" "by the books autobot" etc etc. They truly arent characters that can be studied for hidden detail is what I'm getting at.

But you know the original G1 cartoons are great so might as well watch them and enjoy anyways. I know I rewatch a few episodes of S1 every now and then.

Yeah but y'know what, Z? They have to do it that way. Us Trans fans aren't gonna be the ones that make the movie do 100 million or more. They have to make it acceptable to the mainstream. The mainstream audience is where the money is. Sure, we count for something but the hardcore audience can't do it alone, so why are they gonna try to cater to us for every little thing we want. We'll never be happy anyway. We care about the robots we grew up with but the casual movie go-er can't sympathize with giant robots though they sure as hell can relate to humans that are about to see their world get trampled. I'm sure that if the movie is successful and spawns a sequel then maybe there will be more leeway into giving us the stuff that make us happy. The majority of fans are so dead set on hating this flick that no matter how good it might turn out to be, they're gonna wind up hating it anyway.

I'll be keeping an open mind and I'm not gonna hate it because they're not the Transformers I grew up with.

Case and point. Trans-fans will not be the ones making this movie a blockbuster hit. They will only amount to a 1/50th of a fraction in the ultimate scheme. Most of the people going to see this movie either havent seen or cared about TF or only saw the original cartoons and didnt watch beyond their childhood years. In order for this movie to sell it has to make sense to THOSE people and not to fans. It has to appeal to THEM and not YOU.

Be a "true fan" all you want, Sky Knight. In the end, some of us will go into the theater and come out smiling and happy. You'll just be by yourself, bitter, angry, and alone with nothing but a Message Board that will listen to your rantings and labels.
 
Well we havent seen the movie though, have we. So it's unfair to the movie to judge Bumblebee so early. He might be just as great and likeable as the G1 version. In fact, I'm going to bet on it. He's never going to be or emulate the original G1 Bumble. He isnt the original bumblebee. He's a new one, a different one. But I think he'll be just as fun and entertaining.

I'm not trying to generalize the characters of G1. I know they are all diverse, but there's nothing to study about them. The characters are paper thin, you could read them like a book in their respective episodes. You got the "head strong autobot" the "Gruff but loveable autobot" "by the books autobot" etc etc. They truly arent characters that can be studied for hidden detail is what I'm getting at.

But you know the original G1 cartoons are great so might as well watch them and enjoy anyways. I know I rewatch a few episodes of S1 every now and then.

Then don't watch if you don't like the subject matter. No one here is going to force you to do so.
 

SaikoDragon

It's Judgement Time!
but you don't know **** about me, so kindly don't assume anything.

I would say the same to you, you seem to love labeling people and assume the worst based on opinions. Lets leave it at that.

I will be a real fan all I want, knowing that you'll never be one.

Sky, the problem here is I dont care. It's not breaking my heart.

Then don't watch if you don't like the subject matter. No one here is going to force you to do so.

Do what now? Watch what? G1?
 
Do what now? Watch what? G1?

*sigh*

I'm going to do a series of vidoes using my webcam highlighting various things I find interesting, focusing on but not limited to the G1 Transformers characters. Now I've received indications that you don't care for that and don't think much of that. And I'm saying if you don't like this sort of thing, don't watch the vidoes.

And I think Hariken got confused, I hope the above clarifies things for him.
 

Skyknight

Lurker
*sigh*

I'm going to do a series of vidoes using my webcam highlighting various things I find interesting, focusing on but not limited to the G1 Transformers characters. Now I've received indications that you don't care for that and don't think much of that. And I'm saying if you don't like this sort of thing, don't watch the vidoes..

Well from one true Transfan to another, that sounds encouragable and interesting, will you explore Furman's characterisations of the G1 characters also, or just the cartoon's? Go ahead with it, pay no attention to whoever is belittling you for an invested hobby, you're better than him, all G1 fans are.
 

NeoRanger

Member
Well we havent seen the movie though, have we. So it's unfair to the movie to judge Bumblebee so early.
I believe he was judging the character based on the prequel comic. But, regardless, personally I don't have a problem with Bumblebee, other than the fact that he is not even a character in the film.

And I'm 100% sure everyone will like Bumblebee in the film. Why? But because he's mute and he's funny and his face looks like a metalic teddy bear's and because his horn makes windows crumble to pieces and because he's helping Sam get laid; he really does. Characterization at its best.

Like I said before, if you're looking for a generic sci-fi/action film with tons of explosions and CGI, this film's awesome. If you looking for a Transformers film, in the sense that the Transformers are actual characters and have focus in the film, don't waste your money.
 

Gryphman

Member
Key word: SERIES, as in "Armada sucked, Energon sucked, Cybetron sucked", as a SERIES, TELEVISED, WRITTEN, PRODUCED, ANIMATED, it has blown wind. Toyline? Fine, the style does well, but the substance? No.

Actually, Armada was extremely popular among children. Energon wasn't as popular but did ok. Cybertron was also pretty popular, but not quite as good as Armada did.

The biggest problem with those shows was Cartoon Network. After Armada, they kept giving it crappy time slots. The reason being that CN had no real vested interest in the show. All of their original programming got the prime slots, because they would make more money off of them. That's why CN is actually making the new series, Transformers: Heroes. With it being a CN show, it will be given a better time slot, and more advertising.
 
Well from one true Transfan to another, that sounds encouragable and interesting, will you explore Furman's characterisations of the G1 characters also, or just the cartoon's? Go ahead with it, pay no attention to whoever is belittling you for an invested hobby, you're better than him, all G1 fans are.

depends on the character really.
 

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