The General Godzilla Thread

The Analyzer

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I can't blame Toho for not wanting to get into the whole crossover mess.

Yeah, I could only see a crossover happening if they just teamed up against a third party. If they were fighting each other, people from both sides would haggle over how much damage does to the other, trying to make it equal.
 

Captain Shark

An ocean of depression and misery
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I would like to join and make new blood too. Problem is even if I do get around the email debacle I am still the infamous alienhulk2099.:laugh:

Alright, pertaining to the topic, anyone have a list of favorite Goji kaiju? I'll post mine later.
 

Toku Prime

Well-Known Member
Also, apparently Kadokawa Pictures approached Toho for a Godzilla/Gamera crossover, which Toho rejected.
I can't blame Toho for not wanting to get into the whole crossover mess.
Yeah, I could only see a crossover happening if they just teamed up against a third party. If they were fighting each other, people from both sides would haggle over how much damage does to the other, trying to make it equal.
I can understand the thinking behind it. Gamera is a successful good Daikaiju. Godzilla has been successful as both the (anti)hero and villain of films. So make a film with Gamera as the hero and Godzilla as the villain. After all, Godzilla played the villain against Kong, and it was his most successful film. But Godzilla was still pretty new back then, and up against a much bigger star. I don't think Toho would let him lose to Gamera. So either you have to have some sort of stalemate (which makes neither of them look good), an ambiguous ending that doesn't really solve the question of who's stronger ("they just misunderstood each other; now they're friends and Gamera has convinced Godzilla not to destroy Tokyo...today"), or have them team up against someone else (which would be far less appealing to the audience than Godzilla vs. Gamera). I think the only way they could've gotten the two to encounter each other was if Toho had bought Daiei Films when Yasuyoshi Tokuma died and just have Gamera as part of the stable/family of monsters for Godzilla to go up against. Maybe have brought him in as one of the guardian monsters in 'Giant Monsters All Out Attack'?
Nearly FORTY YEARS PRIOR, Rodan - in his debut feature - was depicted flying at blinding speeds that believably ripped cities apart with the howling winds and sonic booms that followed in his wake. That in forty years, Toho could not only not improve upon those effects but actually manage to do them WORSE is downright shameful.
I think that could have been pretty much the only time they made any effort with that attack. I've seen the first two Showa Godzilla films he's been in and whenever he does that attack it's stock footage from the original solo Rodan film :redface2:

Opinions on which is the best King Ghidorah film, anyone? At the risk of being controversial, I've seen four of his seven appearances (not including the Mothra Rebirth films) and so far I've got to say, I don't really see what makes him one of The King of Monster's most popular foes :confused2
 

Burkion

SLICE
Part of what it was and is, at least in the Showa timeline-Ghidorah was A) the most impressive and visually interesting monster they pulled off, freaking huge and complex, and B) such a badass that it always took more than one monster to bring him down, if they even could.

Remember, you could count Monster Zero as him winning the fight in the end against Rodan and Godzilla alone- he was the only one to get up and walk away afterwards.

Then there's the big hubbabaloo of Destroy All Monsters, which gets way over stated by fans, but it still took about three or so monsters to put Ghidorah down.

After DAM Ghidorah only appeared once more, in Zilla's stories anyways- Gigan, where his suit was falling apart and they couldn't do much with him, so he didn't do much.

He did get an amazing showing against Zone Fighter though, for what it's worth.


Then in the 90s he got out and out beat by Godzilla, if only because of help from the humans, then he appeared in GMK and was so watered down that he had to KEEP getting power ups and he still got murdered, and finally Kaiser Ghidorah just kinda comes out of no where and does so very little.


The ROM trilogy kinda gives him back some luster, as Death Ghidorah murders Momma Mothra and Grand Ghidorah is a straight up badass, but then that was the ROM trilogy and Ghiddy was the only good thing about it.


So yeah. It's just been a series of misuse and overuse over the years.
 

Allio

DAIMON PAWNCH
so... watching all 2000 + movies and Vs Destroyah, I have to say... Against MechaGodzilla is my favorite movie. Just the right amount of cheese
 

FreedomR8G6B1

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I wish other Toho Monsters got their own movie series that didn't star Godzilla or Mothra.:sweat:

*Still wishes for a King Seesar, Rodan, and Anguirus team up*
 

Toku Prime

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It's a cold, snowy night here with nothing to do, so I sat down and watched a film about a tropical island...Ebirah, Horror of the Deep!

I haven't heard it mentioned so much by fans, and I can kinda see why. It's very obvious that Godzilla's part was written for Kong. Seeing as this came out just a few months after War of the Gargantuas, I'm almost surprised they didn't just use Frankenstein (either in original "...Conquers the World" form or the "Sanda" version) and release it in '67. It would have probably been a better fit. The giant condor was pointless, and it needed much more Mothra (because IMO every film needs more Mothra).

Having said that, so many of these films are basically just sitting through the first hour trying not to get too bored while waiting for the monster fight in the third act, and this film did manage to keep me interested from the start with the boatjacking, sneaking around on the island etc. So I have to give it some credit for being 87 minutes of entertainment rather than just ten.
 
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shadowrydera

Hibiki Soukou
Having said that, so many of these films are basically just sitting through the first hour trying not to get too bored while waiting for the monster fight in the third act, and this film did manage to keep me interested from the start with the boatjacking, sneaking around on the island etc. So I have to give it some credit for being 87 minutes of entertainment rather than just ten.

Ebirah is actually a solid entry in the series imo. I'm currently watching all Godzilla movies in order, since I've never done that before, but I have watched every one a million times when I was younger.

I found that after going back and watching these as an adult, I'm enjoying the ones that I wouldn't care for when I was a kid and getting frustrated with the ones that I used to love.

For example, I used to enjoy Godzilla vs. Hedorah and Godzilla vs. Megalon a lot. After watching those recently, GvsH had uninteresting human characters and the fights were long, slow, and drawn-out. GvsM had the cheesiest fight scenes in any Godzilla movie. It was so frustrating that I found myself playing with my phone during the latter half of that movie.
 

Toku Prime

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I'd only ever heard bad things about King Kong Escapes, but I've just watched it and it's SUCH a fun movie! :anime: Certainly better than Son of Godzilla :redface2:

It's a shame Toho never got to make any other Kong movies. Even more of a shame that we'll never get more Mechani-Kong action :disappoin
 
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scikaiju

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I kind of agree there, it would have at least been interesting to see the version of Frankenstein, which was supposed to be a patch work of animals sewn together that they planned on, read it somewhere online just can't remember where.
 
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kamil88

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Godzilla is still popular in Poland, they started show movies in theatre in 60`s and 80`s, not every movie was brought here, and often with at least few years after it release (iron curtain) i even manage to get some of awesome Polish posters:
http://pinktentacle.com/images/11/kaiju_film_1.jpg
http://www.agrayspace.com/posters/polish1/GODZILLA_VS_THE_SMOG_MONSTER_1972.jpg
http://trashymovie.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/son-of-godzilla-polish.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UJTKxrzdo...rI7m2Uc5y24/s1600/5339166244_f6c6fb08ca_b.jpg
http://www.keenecenter.org/exhibit_godzilla/images/original_size/poster_XI.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5130/5339165872_f96a2fa1c9_z.jpg

My biggest dissapointment is last Showa film, Terror of Mechagodzilla, it had boring characters (and not attractive love interest) stupid looking villains (Aliens helmets, stereotypical mad scientist) they made Mechagodzilla weak, most of time he only stood and watch, while Titanosaurus fought Godzilla, weakest Ishiro Honda film iin my opinion
 
You gotta love how when Shusuke Kanedo, director of the Gamera Trilogy, got a shot at a Godzilla film, he made GMK, one of the best Godzilla movies of all time.
 

Amon

New Member
I been a Godzilla fan for nearly 20 years now. The franchise always been my main favorite and I'm looking forward to the upcoming the 2014 film. I'm hoping that we will get a decent American film for once.
 

Toku Prime

Well-Known Member
Destroy All Monsters: Proving that Anguirus is the 'stone wall' of giant monsters, mankind will indeed one day learn to control the nuclear spectre of Godzilla, and (perhaps most importantly) that Ghidorah is still an overrated pussy :thumbs:
 
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Bigdog

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Godzilla is still popular in Poland, they started show movies in theatre in 60`s and 80`s, not every movie was brought here, and often with at least few years after it release (iron curtain) i even manage to get some of awesome Polish posters:
http://pinktentacle.com/images/11/kaiju_film_1.jpg
http://www.agrayspace.com/posters/polish1/GODZILLA_VS_THE_SMOG_MONSTER_1972.jpg
http://trashymovie.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/son-of-godzilla-polish.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UJTKxrzdo...rI7m2Uc5y24/s1600/5339166244_f6c6fb08ca_b.jpg
http://www.keenecenter.org/exhibit_godzilla/images/original_size/poster_XI.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5130/5339165872_f96a2fa1c9_z.jpg

My biggest dissapointment is last Showa film, Terror of Mechagodzilla, it had boring characters (and not attractive love interest) stupid looking villains (Aliens helmets, stereotypical mad scientist) they made Mechagodzilla weak, most of time he only stood and watch, while Titanosaurus fought Godzilla, weakest Ishiro Honda film iin my opinion

Strange. I felt many of his films after 1965 were dismal after the fact save for War of the Gargantuas, which was pretty sweet. He clearly lost his thunder with the franchise at that point.

I loved GMK too and I wish he was given a chance to do a series of films like Gamera with his iteration of Godzilla.
 
You gotta love how when Shusuke Kanedo, director of the Gamera Trilogy, got a shot at a Godzilla film, he made GMK, one of the best Godzilla movies of all time.
Very true, great stuff. GMK is my fav, I was lucky enough to see it in a theater here in the states too.

Godzilla is still popular in Poland, they started show movies in theatre in 60`s and 80`s, not every movie was brought here, and often with at least few years after it release (iron curtain) i even manage to get some of awesome Polish posters:
Those are cool, I dig.
 

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