The General Godzilla Thread

MattComix

Super Moderator
Lord, there is entirely too much Heisei love in this thread. :laugh:

Maybe they're not as bad as you thought. :)

Besides I'm sure there will be much more Showa talk. Especially when ryuuseipro finds this thread.

I love the Heisei timeline, with the undisputed best being "vs. Destroyah".

I like that, despite not being a good guy, the later movies still managed to give Godzilla noble reasons to be the "hero" of the story, Baby/Junior.

I liked the Baby/Junior/ designs better than Minya's. I wish they'd do a series that followed up on Destroyah featuring the grown up Junior. I wonder if he would still retain memories of his time with Miki.

I love that very last shot of him at the end of the movie.
 

The Analyzer

New Member
I liked the Baby/Junior/ designs better than Minya's. I wish they'd do a series that followed up on Destroyah featuring the grown up Junior. I wonder if he would still retain memories of his time with Miki.

If I recall correctly, a woman scientist called Azusa Gojo raised Junior in MG II. Afterwards, the character tearfully parts with him and disappears, only for Miki to take over. I guess it would make the tearful farewell null and void if Gojo meets up with Junior the next movie.

Since we brought up the Showa era, I'll posit that Minya wasn't truly hated until Godzilla' Revenge, which was not a very good movie. Son of Godzilla, where Minya appeared, is actually pretty decent, though Godzilla is weirdly sleepy throughout the film.
 

Ivanhobe

The Extraordinary Fan(boy)
I agree, i have watched Son of Godzilla a bunch of times and i never get bored with it, maybe is a bit campy but it is quite fun and you never really get annoyed with Minya, the scenes with him and godzilla where he tries to use the Atomic breath are quite entertaining.

I have never seen Godzilla´s Revenge but just going by what i have seen of him it´s really hard to hate him.
 
Maybe they're not as bad as you thought. :)

You're talking like I haven't seen any of them in awhile but my close friends and I are Godzilla fans before anything else in this genre* - to the point that we all carpool to Chicago every year for GFest! I'll have you know that not a day goes by without at least two of us talking about Godzilla on some level and, at least in my opinion, the 90s Godzilla films are some of the laziest, most shoddily-made pieces of cinema in the entire franchise. Yes, even moreso than films like Megalon or Revenge, because the 90s films are still awful even with increasingly large budgets as the series went on, a privilege not afforded to the aforementioned Showa films. Plus, those films actually manage to be fun despite their flaws (and I find Revenge to be a highly underrated character piece). A Heisei Godzilla movie is what I watch when I'm having trouble sleeping.

So, uh, there. God, I didn't mean to nerdrage like that. I'm sorry. I just don't know what came over me. :laugh:



* I'm such a huge fan and I discuss it SO MUCH elsewhere that discussing it here on HJU where most people have a less-than-encyclopedic familiarity with the franchise honestly kind of weirds me out. :laugh:
 

MattComix

Super Moderator
If I recall correctly, a woman scientist called Azusa Gojo raised Junior in MG II. Afterwards, the character tearfully parts with him and disappears, only for Miki to take over. I guess it would make the tearful farewell null and void if Gojo meets up with Junior the next movie.

That's right. I forgot to mention her as well. Though if they were bringing her back when he's an adult Godzilla that'd be interesting. It'd be kind of like he was seeing his mother again.

They could also bring back Kazuma Aoki (Masahiro Takashima) who was both in MechaGodzilla II and Destroyah.
 

The Analyzer

New Member
That's right. I forgot to mention her as well. Though if they were bringing her back when he's an adult Godzilla that'd be interesting. It'd be kind of like he was seeing his mother again.

They could also bring back Kazuma Aoki (Masahiro Takashima) who was both in MechaGodzilla II and Destroyah.

This reminds me of a vague scene from a fanfic I'm musing over. Azusa and Kazuma show up before Junior decides to walk in his daddy's destructive footsteps and they show the baby they had, which is technically Junior's little brother/sister. This persuades Junior to not be destroyer.

I'm such a huge fan and I discuss it SO MUCH elsewhere that discussing it here on HJU where most people have a less-than-encyclopedic familiarity with the franchise honestly kind of weirds me out. :laugh:

...this is a wild shot in the dark, but are you a user at Toho Kingdom Forums?
 

MattComix

Super Moderator
This reminds me of a vague scene from a fanfic I'm musing over. Azusa and Kazuma show up before Junior decides to walk in his daddy's destructive footsteps and they show the baby they had, which is technically Junior's little brother/sister. This persuades Junior to not be destroyer.

Well hey, if after Destroyah Toho had wanted to move more in the direction of Godzilla being a good guy then the Heisei continuity would have some story foundation for why there would be a Godzilla that would even remotely give a damn about humans.
 

The Analyzer

New Member
Yeah but I'm far more active on Monster Zero/Club Tokyo. Toho Kingdom is... well. :laugh:

Let met guess...it had an excessive amount of immature tweeners?

Toho Kingdom was the most active Godzilla forum I found, though I haven't been visiting much do to life matters. Though a thread about unmade Kaiju with rarely or never before seen images and news has pulled me back in.

Well hey, if after Destroyah Toho had wanted to move more in the direction of Godzilla being a good guy then the Heisei continuity would have some story foundation for why there would be a Godzilla that would even remotely give a damn about humans.

That would be fun, though I would like to see another continuity where Godzilla slowly develops this giving a damn throughout a film(s).

Also, apparently Kadokawa Pictures approached Toho for a Godzilla/Gamera crossover, which Toho rejected.
 
Let met guess...it had an excessive amount of immature tweeners?

Basically. MZ tends to be where a lot of older, more grounded Godzilla fans tend to congregate. We're less interested in power levers, fantasy fights, and Heisei-worship and more into the performances, characters, staff, and getting into the nitty-gritty of how these films were produced. That's much more my style. I mostly only go on Toho Kingdom to promote my own tokusatsu productions.
 

MattComix

Super Moderator
So, uh, there. God, I didn't mean to nerdrage like that. I'm sorry. I just don't know what came over me. :laugh:

To be honest it sounds a little like you're offended that the thread didn't start out of the gate with a lot of talk about the era of Godzilla you prefer. Just to clarify though my talking about Heisei stuff is not out of any contempt for the Showa stuff or trying to wave some flag to say that Heisei is better. It just happens to be the swath of the whole Godzilla thing that I got into the most.

I just disagree that they are awful or sleep inducing. They're a little slow paced but to me I their tone and pace is much more like the 1954 film, much less like the stuff that came after. So if you're really into the stuff that came after then I can see why they wouldn't be your cup of tea.
 
I just disagree that they are awful or sleep inducing. They're a little slow paced but to me I their tone and pace is much more like the 1954 film, much less like the stuff that came after. So if you're really into the stuff that came after then I can see why they wouldn't be your cup of tea.

No, I LOVE the 1954 film. It's a gorramed masterpiece. I just think the 90s films are bland and lifeless, with effects that are inferior to those produced decades before.

Take Heisei Rodan, for example. Aside from being one of the worst, most lifeless puppets ever created for a tokusatsu film, when he flies, he sort of casually glides across a city and things randomly explode underneath him, usually by way of poorly-composited stock explosions. Nearly FORTY YEARS PRIOR, Rodan - in his debut feature - was depicted flying at blinding speeds that believably ripped cities apart with the howling winds and sonic booms that followed in his wake. That in forty years, Toho could not only not improve upon those effects but actually manage to do them WORSE is downright shameful.
 

The Analyzer

New Member
Basically. MZ tends to be where a lot of older, more grounded Godzilla fans tend to congregate. We're less interested in power levers, fantasy fights, and Heisei-worship and more into the performances, characters, staff, and getting into the nitty-gritty of how these films were produced. That's much more my style. I mostly only go on Toho Kingdom to promote my own tokusatsu productions.

I don't like talking about power levels and fantasy fights as well, funnily enough. Those can be fun, but I'm in it for the characters and stuff. I might check this out.

In other news, has anyone checked out Rodan Roost's Kaiju Stats. They have a personality section for each one which made me realize that these city-stomping menaces, whether by accident or design, have personalities. Unfortunately, they stopped profiling before Final Wars as the site became inactive in general.
 
I don't like talking about power levels and fantasy fights as well, funnily enough. Those can be fun, but I'm in it for the characters and stuff. I might check this out.

Problem right now is they've closed registration to all POPmail accounts in an effort to avoid spambots and even though people keep offering advice on other ways to work around that issue, the admins are super-slow to implement anything.
 

Bad Wolf

Skreeong!
Take Heisei Rodan, for example. Aside from being one of the worst, most lifeless puppets ever created for a tokusatsu film, when he flies, he sort of casually glides across a city and things randomly explode underneath him, usually by way of poorly-composited stock explosions.

I always found that funny, especially when later SpaceGodzilla and Destroyah did it.
 

MattComix

Super Moderator
That would be fun, though I would like to see another continuity where Godzilla slowly develops this giving a damn throughout a film(s).

Having a series with a continuity again would be good. Maybe over the course of the series things settle into an uneasy peace between humans and Godzilla that is brought about by reoccurring human characters who are able to communicate with him somehow. He fights the various monster threats attacking Earth as well as the machinations of humans that would just as soon see him destroyed to.

I enjoy that with any iteration of the franchise that the 1954 film always counts. It's the source.

Also, apparently Kadokawa Pictures approached Toho for a Godzilla/Gamera crossover, which Toho rejected.

I can't blame Toho for not wanting to get into the whole crossover mess.
 

Captain Shark

An ocean of depression and misery
I actually tried joining Club Tokyo, but email issues made it impossible. That and some nut supposedly posted pornography under my name at some point.:redface2:
Let met guess...it had an excessive amount of immature tweeners?
And a very narcissistic admin with the other admins not paying attention. The amount of things that go on there.... No wonder Web of Trust had three people give the "this place is bad" comments. I could go into minute details of all the horrendous things that go on there, but this isn't the place.
 

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