[Talk] The Ben 10 Series

Winter Chevalier

Why yes, I do know everything
Since the other Ben 10 thread hasn't been posted in since 2010, I decided that making a new one is better than bumping. So here's the new thread to discuss Ben 10 =)

I admit, I haven't been keeping up with it for several months, so I'm just going to start at the part in Ultimate Alien right after the whole "Kevin turns into a monster again" thing.

So yeah, discussion time!
 

Shirayuki

Lurker
I don't know what happened whoever is writing the current season has no idea what they are doing. Ultimate Alien is ok but the characters and episodic plots are pretty horrible now. I personally feel that they show has been dropping in quality since the first season of Alien Force ending and they tried to change ben's personality.
 
I don't know what happened whoever is writing the current season has no idea what they are doing. Ultimate Alien is ok but the characters and episodic plots are pretty horrible now. I personally feel that they show has been dropping in quality since the first season of Alien Force ending and they tried to change ben's personality.
This plus he has like 63 aliens now YET ALL WE SEE ARE HUMGOSAUR BIG CHILL AND SPIDERMONKEY EVERY FUCKING EPISODE!!! The writers even said he scans aliens off screen and in between scenes so he has more aliens than we've seen he just hasn't used them yet. That's just lazy writing! If you want to make a new alien premiere it in an episode! Don't just say he has it now and have it pop up at random like he's been doing. I remember one episode he turned into a alien off screen nobodies seen before, didn't even say the name and apparently he's had it for a while just never used it. Plus the ultimate forms were a horrible idea they only made like 6 yet they only use 3
 

Winter Chevalier

Why yes, I do know everything
So, I saw a commercial for the new dvd and Heatblast is back. I'm guessing that Ben doesn't actually use Heatblast more than 1 or 2 times? X__X;;
 
So, I saw a commercial for the new dvd and Heatblast is back. I'm guessing that Ben doesn't actually use Heatblast more than 1 or 2 times? X__X;;

HE USED IT ONCE!!!

You know what the worst part of this is? They guy in charge of all the teenage Ben shows, he was also behind the JL cartoons. How do you make such a good show out of the most convoluted multiverse ever. Yet **** up a show that only had like 3 seasons before hand?!
 

Winter Chevalier

Why yes, I do know everything
One time? =/ That's so lame. I definitely agree with your sentiments, HM. I'm so tired of the Humongosaur/Spidermonky/Big Chill (even though I actually like BC) spam. I dunno, I just wish he'd use some more strategy with his alien choices, instead of just reverting to "Ispammystrongguy" attitude that he had back in the original series with Four-Arms. Would love to see some more Echo Echo, Ampfibian, Lodestar and Rath... Or just some new aliens in general.

Didn't know that the current heads were the guys who did JL. Man, I lost a little bit of respect for them for not using their brains more when making fight scenes in this series =/
 

Bigdog

New Member
I don't know what happened whoever is writing the current season has no idea what they are doing. Ultimate Alien is ok but the characters and episodic plots are pretty horrible now. I personally feel that they show has been dropping in quality since the first season of Alien Force ending and they tried to change ben's personality.

They should have continued with Ben's years before AF and UA ,but most importantly kept Man of Action in their series. Without them ,the series is just a fail.

This plus he has like 63 aliens now YET ALL WE SEE ARE HUMGOSAUR BIG CHILL AND SPIDERMONKEY EVERY FUCKING EPISODE!!! The writers even said he scans aliens off screen and in between scenes so he has more aliens than we've seen he just hasn't used them yet. That's just lazy writing! If you want to make a new alien premiere it in an episode! Don't just say he has it now and have it pop up at random like he's been doing. I remember one episode he turned into a alien off screen nobodies seen before, didn't even say the name and apparently he's had it for a while just never used it. Plus the ultimate forms were a horrible idea they only made like 6 yet they only use 3

Now I don't want to see the series ever again lol. Sure things can happen between episodes, but to keep the main dynamic of the frickin' series off of screen seems lame. It'd be like Ash catching the entire Pokedex yet we only see 6 of them or Power Rangers getting random powers for no good reason and acting like they have fought forever. While the first series had a problem with this , they have improved this problem with having the characters being martial artists in their own right before.

Ben 10 AF and UA makes as much sense as Z. Now they are not only 25% alien from their grandmother, but the entire world is littered with half-blood aliens and NO ONE HAS CAUGHT ONTO THEM BEING SO? How is Kevin now good , why is he now normal looking again ? Why is Vilgax alive? Why is Grandpa Max not dead? Why doesn't Ben just go on a rampage and kill every single of his foes without mercy? Why don't the villains kill Ben and his friends while they are asleep? Are they somehow sleeping as well or are they frozen in stasis? Why can't Gwen use her magic powers instead of glowy Pink Lantern and why is she even in love with the asshole who tried to kill her cousin on several occasions? And speaking of him, why isn't he driven insane like most of his species and how can he ever be normal? IS it because he's partially human?

And why aren't the half blooded aliens far more involved in the show because isn't that what the series was about at first?

This show is a disgrace to the original and to all Tokusatsu and anime and it shouldn't be this horrible. I hope Man of Action scraps AF and UA and does a better job.
 
^They actually addressed all the Kevin being human again but I missed it and Gwen has started using small amounts of magic again but...it's not the same. And Kevin did go crazy again but he got better. I'm assuming some of those other questions were jokes.

To WC: But Rath and Echo echo are like the fourth most spamed. lol But like I said about the new aliens we have so many now that haven't seen the light of day in so long. What happen to Amphibian or NRG?! They were the whole plot of Ultimate Alien in it's first season! Plus he's had so many older aliens that he just hasn't used since the time jump. Yeah some of them were still locked until Ben 10,000 Returns but even then there was no point in unlocking them cause he hasn't used them! And there are a few new aliens already confirmed. Look up Eatle and Jurry Rig. I think there's two more.

Another problem! What the hell is Ultimate Big Chill?! Fire ice?! What is that?! I never understood it!
 
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Bigdog

New Member
^They actually addressed all the Kevin stuff but I missed it.
Another problem! What the hell is Ultimate Big Chill?! Fire ice?! What is that?! I never understood it!

Ah.... :redface2:

I find the Ultimate transformations pointless. How can there be versions of aliens that contradict their names/ their core abilities... it's like a perverted/retarded version of Digimon and Pokemon. Don't even remember when anything from those franchises pulled a McGavin and could transform into utterly convenient forms which makes me wonder why he never never did it before? With that said ,the show just seems like a fanfiction some 5 year old written or a man high on weed wrote because it makes no sense.

It makes shows like Adventure Time and Gumball look like masterpieces.
 

Bigdog

New Member
Yeah!...Wait was that sarcasm or did you mean it?

I mean it. Ben 10 was a great show that was ruined by its sequels. Even Chowder and Flapjack are better than the recent iterations.

While the recent ones have delved into Doctor Who and Star Trek like scifi and had some nifty concepts like halfies, the execution and writing of the characters was lacking if not the radical change of art style from the first series. That is why I don't like recent series.
 

Shirayuki

Lurker
pretty much every episode follows the same formula now depending on the characters that appear.

Like if Nega-Ben/Albiedo appears Ben will end up ruining his life somehow and not take an flack for it

If its about Ben's girlfriend Julie he'll act like a child for no reason and she will be the biggest jerk ever with the moral of the episode either being Julie is wrong but Ben comes of as the bad guy or the girlfriend is always right. I don't know how to feel about this though because in the first season of Alien Force she was likalbe and only became a jerk after Ben started treating her extremely badly during season 2.

Vilgax is a joke villian that shows up to be beat in one episode and inflate Ben's ego even further

every other episode is either the plot of the season that only amount to about five minutes of focus every four episodes until the last four episodes or other recurring villians showing up with a random method to defeat a cocky Ben that will easily overcome whatever they do with his only struggles coming from the limitations of his watch

The alien formula is kinda the same every episode too:
1. Spider Monkey is the most used alien as is the ultimate form. If they aren't attempting to show off another ultimate form he will appear for sure

2. one of the elemental prisoner aliens aliens. He always shows one of these off but he only uses water, fire and wind

3. one or two random aliens gets an appearance every episode too

Ben typically averages 3-4 aliens an episode
 
What's up with Ben and Julie. Didn't they break up but then get back together?

The episode on now is pretty interesting though. Wow and he's using mad aliens he hasn't used in forever. I thought he was afraid to use Ghostfreak.
 

Winter Chevalier

Why yes, I do know everything
This episode was pretty interesting. Wasn't expecting to see that Ghostfreak transformation, and it's always fun to see Way Big. The plot was kinda interesting too, even if it did seem kinda random (this is the first newer episode I've scene, so I'm not sure if there was forshadowing for the Ultimates being alive inside). But, interesting episode none-the-less =3
 

Shirayuki

Lurker
What's up with Ben and Julie. Didn't they break up but then get back together?

The episode on now is pretty interesting though. Wow and he's using mad aliens he hasn't used in forever. I thought he was afraid to use Ghostfreak.
They got back together a few episodes after they broke up despite Ben being a jerk and Julie somehow became one herself after getting back togehter with him. He got over the ghostfreak thing at the end of the first series
This episode was pretty interesting. Wasn't expecting to see that Ghostfreak transformation, and it's always fun to see Way Big. The plot was kinda interesting too, even if it did seem kinda random (this is the first newer episode I've scene, so I'm not sure if there was forshadowing for the Ultimates being alive inside). But, interesting episode none-the-less =3
This is never going to be brought up again unless Ben needs back up at the end of the season
Seeing this week's episode makes me ask this: Where's Ultimate Wildmutt among them? :laugh:
The writers probably forgot about him :laugh:
 

Winter Chevalier

Why yes, I do know everything
I may have heard it wrong, but the way Azmuth talked at the end of the episode, is Ben going to be unable to use stuff like Ultimate Humongosaur/Ultimate Big Chill/and the rest of the ones that just got freed anymore? Because if that's the case, then this totally sets it up so Ben can stop spamming the same tired things over and over.
 
They got back together a few episodes after they broke up despite Ben being a jerk and Julie somehow became one herself after getting back togehter with him. He got over the ghostfreak thing at the end of the first series
But what about when it almost took him over again in that episode on Vilgax planet?

Yeah the Ultimate Wildmutt thing....very sad that they could lose track of just six guys. But that's what happens when you only use a guy once!
 

Shirayuki

Lurker
But what about when it almost took him over again in that episode on Vilgax planet?

Yeah the Ultimate Wildmutt thing....very sad that they could lose track of just six guys. But that's what happens when you only use a guy once!

That was because Ben just scanned him back into the Omnitrix; Ben gained control over him shortly after.

also, Ben still has his ultimate forms
 

Arkvoodle

Member
New series on the way, tentatively titled "Ben 10: Omniverse" and will feature designs by Derrick J Wyatt, of "Transformers: Animated" and "Mysteries Incorporated."

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Further details as they become available. :D
 
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