Kamen Rider Wizard - Full Series Talk UP!

big_j_ny

Just an Internet User Passing Thru
Agito is still a little weird to me, because I'm still not quite sure which Rider is the focus where I'm at. And no, you can't just say it's Agito, because just look at Kabuto.

Agito bounces its focus around a lot, which isn't a bad thing because it gives all the characters equal development.

But yeah, it didn't feel like it was 100% Shouichi's show
 

Dr Kain

Well-Known Member
Every single character was the same in the final episode as they were in the first episode. There was no character growth at all.

I agree. Shunpei believed in child magic in episode 2, he stoppd in episode 3. He did nothing else the entire series. Rinko was a detective in episode 1, outside of investigating Phoenix, she did nothing else. Koyomi was an emotionless doll in the first episode, she was an emotionless doll in the final episode. In fact, she spent like 30 episodes standing in the background either looking depressed or sounding depressed. Haruto was the same character too. I highly enjoyed the first 40ish episodes of Wizard, but Gremlin had more development in 2 episodes than the entire cast in their 51.
 

FlashNeko

Member
I have to say, the recent trend of "kill the magic sidekick in the last episode and give our heroes no real chance to react or mourn" is getting kind of tiring.

Say what you will about Double's ending bringing Philip back to life but at the very least we got a whole episode devoted to seeing what it was like for Shotaro and the others to have to move on from that death.

Things like Ahnk's death, Stag Buster's death (I know he's from Super Sentai but it's still part of the trend), a temporary death with Kengo (though again with no real time for the cast to react and grow from it) and now Koyomi's death just don't really have the same impact.

It just feels like, if you really must kill off a main character like that, either have the last episode be devoted to the consequences of that or have it happen earlier in the show.

Let the characters have a chance to properly evolve from such a life changing event instead of shoehorning any sort of vague illusion to mourning in the last thirty seconds of the final episode's end credits.
 

Heaven Stream

Damnest One
Well, i realy liked Wizard. First of all, i agree that it had no character development for, well, anyone besides Haruto, and because of that, i see everybody as mere plot devices for "Haruto's Saga". Wizard has very good direction, camera cuts and inversions were very good timed in pretty much all the episodes, we had a very good creation of atmosphere in almost all the series, the tracks in Wizard were also very good, hell, i didn't like Girls, but after Wizard... I love them, realy, and not to mention the glorious return of Rider Chips. Talking about the plot, well, i liked it, we had a realy good growth in Haruto's character, he sufered for the entire series, to be honest, he was just trying de swap his pain with the bulshit of heroism, he used that to "sustain" he's hope, and we had Dragon as a good counter-point to that, at first, i thinked Dragon was like a symbiont, but after the Infinity debut episode and the final episode i got his real purpose, he was a counter-point to the "false hope" that Haruto created to fool himself, he wanted Haruto to have his own hope, hell, Haruto called Dragon "his hope" a lot of times, and at end, he was the GUARDIAN of his hope. Back to Haruto, he was kind of hiding his sadness during the series, the revelation about Koyomi was the trigger to free that pain, and he give up to "despair"... Hell, he was even concerned about giving up his life (and the life of others) for Koyomi's sake, and that make his character much more of a human, puting his desires before the heroism bulshit. For me, the final episode was a tie up of Haruto's situation, he finally accepted himself and the situation of Koyomi, he figthed for himself and put an end to Sora in a realy selfish way, which was really good for his character as all. All in all, i really enjoyed Wizard and Haruto's character development, it had very good fights choreography (Hell, just look at episode 50), extremely good OST and some good two-episodes arc, at least in my point of view.
 

Actar

Otaku University Student
I really think the "victim of the week" format let down the show too. Pretty much all of them were dreadful characters that contributed nothing to the storyline and were just very, very boring - at least Den-O and W tried to make the victims of the week a bit more lively.

The thing is, the 'Victim of the Week' can be, and has been, done well just like in W or in anime like Heartcatch Precure. The secret lies not so much in the victims themselves, but in the boring monsters of the week - for to have a good victim, you need a good antagonist. That's my main theory as to why Wizard's Victim of the Week formula fell flat. The monsters were boring.

In W, the monsters were people that were involved with the clients and had their own motivations that drove their crimes - this made for interesting and three dimensional characters and stores. In Heartcatch Precure, the monsters were the victim of the week themselves, being driven by a personal problem or issue that the main characters had to solve, along with dealing with the monster.

Not to mention, in both shows, the Victims kept reappearing in later episodes creating a very believable and immersive world that made the Victims themselves feel more realistic. In HCPC, the saved Victims actually played an integral part in the show later on - adding much needed value to them.

What about Wizard? The monsters that attack them are flat, 2D and completely random. We care nothing for them and in essence, lose half of the story potential - making the Victim's stories suffer significantly. We also hardly see them again, if ever.

Lastly, as many have already mentioned before, the upgrades are problematic. The issue isn't in the number of upgrades, but how they are written into the show. They have to make it feel like the characters actually earned it or make it important in the context of the show some how. Flame Dragon Ring was well done, but others like the Drago Timer were horrendously executed.
 

Xtreme RX

Member
I enjoyed Wizard! It was a nice ride from beginning to finish. I felt disappointed whenever something like a plot-point popped up and never amounted to anything, and I didn't like the blatant two-episode structure. Still, I thought the last 10 episodes were really awesome, not to mention that despite all the filler, Wizard did have really awesome scenes like the Infinity Arc.

So technically it wasn't a very fantastic show, but I still enjoyed it thoroughly. Not gonna argue with anyone who didn't like it because you all have good reasons for it... But I really liked the show. I did like how slow it was and how dramatic it could get. In the end, they were fighting for something that wasn't complicated or convoluted or even just evil. It was simple and twisted. I definitely liked that.

Also, the action scenes were awesome. Does Wizard (the character) use wing chun? That's what it looks like (I've seen a few of wing chun-based movies, not very well-versed in martial arts so I apologize in advance if I am completely wrong)
 

Dr Kain

Well-Known Member
You mean the guy that was the same bad guy, who always did **** for himself and **** anybody else, from the first to last moments we saw him?

I'm referring to the episodes when we found out he was a serial killer and stuff. Those were by far two of the best episodes of the entire series and he had more development in those two episodes than Shunpei and Rinko had combined in the entire series.

I still think the Infinity ring should have formed from Haruto failing at saving a gate from becoming a phantom.
 

Guardian07

Disappear into light!!
Agito is still a little weird to me, because I'm still not quite sure which Rider is the focus where I'm at. And no, you can't just say it's Agito, because just look at Kabuto.

Though Agito is in the title, the show is very much a multi-Rider show, with the different Rider going in different paths, each path deals with differing plots and themes and their paths connect occasionally as the characters meet and interact with each other. I think the only thing Agito has over the other two is that he kills the most Unknown, but the focus is pretty much divided equally between the three.
 

ClimaxHeroDen-O

Ore, Sanjou!
^ What if your opinion doesn't change? I know people who have seen both Kuuga and Agito and still find W to be the best. (Granted, one of them has a really strange vendetta against Agito that I've never known any other fan to have, but still ...)

well, different people have different tastes. I personally think Den-O is the best heisei series and I've seen W, though admittedly I haven't seen Kuuga or Agito because they don't have any appeal to me
 

Vitor

When The Fruit Of Life Corrupts Men
I know people who have seen both Kuuga and Agito and still find W to be the best.

You know how some opinions are just inherently wrong from the get go? This is one of those cases

Which isn't to say that I don't love W, I do
 

ooo5

Member
I have to echo others' thoughts that Wizard was one of the greatest cases of missed potential in a Rider show. Which sucks, because I really enjoyed it at the beginning and expected a lot from it.

I guess one of the main problems, which have been mentioned by Lynxara, is that Wizard never really tried to do anything new or different with its story. There was never anything really unexpected or surprising that happened, with people pretty much guessing the entire storyline of the series by the Infinity arc. When you don't try and stand out in any way, you're bound to lose viewers, pale in comparison to your predecessors, and just be boring overall.

I liked Haruto as a Rider. He had character, an interesting backstory, some good one-liners, and Shunya Shiraishi was a great actor. The only problem is that he didn't have any real character growth or arc, with most of it I felt was shoe-horned into the final arc. I thought there was some good stuff in the first Phoenix arc, but it never really went anywhere.

Wizard's supporting cast was also very wasted. Rinko's character, in theory, was good but she was really underutilized as the series went on. Shunpei was completely unnecessary, and he was probably only there so Haruto wasn't left with two girls. He grew on me, but never enough to where it justified his existence on the show. Wajima tried to be a good mentor figure, but without any real focus or background it was hard to identify with or really like him. At the end of the day, he was just Haruto's method of getting new rings rather than an actual character. I'm not going to rehash the same old stuff with Koyomi, but I at least like how they ended her character arc.

Kosuke was an awesome bro, but that doesn't really justify shoving him into the show as the Second Rider. It doesn't help that his plot, while good in theory, never really went anywhere after a few episodes.

The Phantoms are definitely a low point of the show for me. Barring at least six of them, none of them were really memorable or cool in either their actions or Suit design. The whole plot hinging on their failures didn't help either. Their generals weren't half bad at least. Phoenix was a good rival and created some great tension. Medusa, while a tad one-note, made for a good villainess though I wish they had given us more female Phantoms. I really liked Gremlin, and I wish they had focused on him more, especially considering what happened in the finale.

Fueki/White Wizard/Wiseman wasn't terrible, but I think that whole plotline would've been much stronger had they not drawn out the reveal to the final slew of episodes. Well, Wiseman was pointless in the long run, but having an evil Rider as a Big Bad was pretty cool.

If there's one thing I'll give Wizard over Fourze, one thing, it's that the quality of the fights and choreography was much more consistent and consistently good to boot.

Form wise, I have no problems. I liked their designs and some of their abilities, even if they became extremely underutilized as the show progressed. Unfortunately, after Flame Dragon, the string of form after form just got boring and I never felt Haruto really earned the rest of his upgrades like he did the Dragon Forms. Beast was a little better in regards to all of this. And I thought the rings were used pretty effectively.

So all in all, just a lot of missed opportunities for Wizard. I still enjoyed it, but I never felt the same consistent enthusiasm for it that I did for past Rider shows. Here's hoping Gaim can turn things around!
 
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BLASTMATIC

Lurker
I enjoyed Wizard! It was a nice ride from beginning to finish. I felt disappointed whenever something like a plot-point popped up and never amounted to anything, and I didn't like the blatant two-episode structure. Still, I thought the last 10 episodes were really awesome, not to mention that despite all the filler, Wizard did have really awesome scenes like the Infinity Arc.

So technically it wasn't a very fantastic show, but I still enjoyed it thoroughly. Not gonna argue with anyone who didn't like it because you all have good reasons for it... But I really liked the show. I did like how slow it was and how dramatic it could get. In the end, they were fighting for something that wasn't complicated or convoluted or even just evil. It was simple and twisted. I definitely liked that.

Also, the action scenes were awesome. Does Wizard (the character) use wing chun? That's what it looks like (I've seen a few of wing chun-based movies, not very well-versed in martial arts so I apologize in advance if I am completely wrong)

pretty much how i feel (i was gonna write the same thing)
 
Haven't checked out 52 yet (want to watch it and 53 together), but overall? I... am torn.

On the one hand, I can ultimately say that I... suppose that I did enjoy Wizard. Well, if not that, at least that I don't feel like, a year later, that I wasted my time watching it week after week. It had some fun characters (Nitou, Sora, Phoenix, Haruto when they felt like writing him as more than THE FINAL HOPE, Shunpei when they felt like writing him as more than a flailing manchild), superb fights every so often, and I loved the designs and soundtrack.

On the other hand, as many others have pointed out, it simply didn't try to do anything. It stuffed all the possible interesting plotlines it could have had going throughout the show in the last five minutes (so to speak), and everything up until then was simply a Rider show going through the paces - and it was honestly sometimes painful to watch. This show really brought down how much I hate the "two episode formula" Toei has going for Rider. For the majority of Wizard, despite how it had so many cool concepts and ideas, and even having a decent-to-okay cast of characters, nothing freaking happened.

Sure, Haruto got a ton of powerups, Phoenix died and was replaced by a serial killer, and then we have Beast who was basically a walking mass of lost potential, but did any of that really matter? We could have had the first few episodes, a quick "THEN A FEW MONTHS PASSED WHERE HARUTO GOT A BUNCH OF POWERS AND STUFF" montage, and fastforwarded right to about ten or so episodes ago and we still have the same basic show with nothing really lost - and, "filler" or not, you really can't say that about most Rider series, even the ones filled to the BRIM with "filler."

I dunno. I'm sure I could go on and on, but I'm sure anything I could had is redundant at this point. So I'll just say this again - I don't regret watching Wizard. The characters entertained me (some of the time), the fights were alright (a decent amount of the time), the soundtrack was solid (most of the time), but just... Blegh. It just could have been so much better, and it wouldn't have taken that much effort to make it that way.

I'm glad it's over and I gladly welcome our fruit samurai overlords.

Let the Gaims begin!
 
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