Kamen Rider Drive Ep 4 - "What is That Prideful Chaser Thinking?"

Ryuutaros

"Training."
For the record; I wasn't trying to be a smartass or anything, I was just looking for clarification. But I definitely agree on the suit, it rides the line really well between Roimude and Rider and I really like it. And while its not my new favorite or anything I do quite like the bike as well.

I never thought your were. :thumbs:

I think its the compound eyes that make him look like a Rider. That and the fact that his transformation sequence is the same as Drive's.
 

NateRiver

Welcome
I liked that they followed up the fact that Mashin Chaser is based on Proto Drive by having him say that he doesn't destroy cores, similar to how Proto Drive couldn't.
 
Dimension Cab's ability is just weird. Same with Dream Vegas 3 slots look on Drive, it's just messed up. Makes sense that they're buddies, both make Drive's suit look messed up.
Also, Getting Drive's Mid-upgrade at Episode 5? seems a little early, right? well, it does take a week break, but still. This episode did seem pretty lackluster to me. Just doesn't have the same enthusiastic feel as Gaim or even Wizard.
 

Artisan

Blade Adept
Also, Getting Drive's Mid-upgrade at Episode 5? seems a little early, right? well, it does take a week break, but still.

More like what GataKiriBa/LaToraTah and Elek/Fire States were for OOOs and Fourze. They're significant costume form changes, but they're not specifically the mid upgrades yet, though the ability to freely apply weapon attachments onto the new form is particularly reminiscent of Fourze Elek and Fire States. Mid season upgrade for Drive will probably be Type Dead Heat.
 

King Gainer

Member
I felt that this episode was a definite step up from the first three. This was the first time I have felt distinctly positive about an episode of Drive, and I hope that the first couple episodes were just suffering from the staff figuring out the characters and tone of the series. As silly as the Shift Car backstory was it did a good job of making the cars feel less like toys Bandai wants you to buy and more like an actual part of the narrative.

I also really enjoyed Shinnosuke and (to a lesser extent) Kiriko's characters here, they felt more natural than in the first three episodes. The show also did a good job of quickly establishing a bit about Mashin Chaser's character here too. The fights were still kind of lackluster and there was too much CGI, but I'm feeling pretty positive that the show will be able to work these problems out as it goes.
 

Wing Saber

Active Member
So far I'm one of those that enjoy Drive. Because I'm judging it for it's own merits instead of comparing it to Gaim. Especially where Shinnosuke was able to put Kiriko's past to rest by defeating Paint Roimude.
 

lazycoconut

I liked him when he wasn't a god
So far I'm one of those that enjoy Drive. Because I'm judging it for it's own merits instead of comparing it to Gaim.

Why do people assume that "comparing it to Gaim" is the only reason why someone wouldn't like Drive?

This episode was not bad although I didn't like it that, when Kiriko decided to stand up to Paint Roidmude, she was instantly overpowered and had to be rescued because heaven forbid she be able to fight her own corner. Also slightly confused that the show has Chase proclaiming loud and clear that he's a Roidmude, while the promotional material tried to make it sound ambiguous as to whether or not he is one (plus the fact that he has a Rider-like transformation and can't just switch straight to Roidmude form like the others ...)
 

kuroihikari

Member
This episode was not bad although I didn't like it that, when Kiriko decided to stand up to Paint Roidmude, she was instantly overpowered and had to be rescued because heaven forbid she be able to fight her own corner.

How could she, though? She didn't have the equipment for that. I doubt Shinnosuke without the Drive Driver could've done any better. It'd would've been nice, but as it was happening I really didn't have any idea what else she could've done.

I thought the plan was incredibly gutsy for her, especially considering that just in the previous episode, she was literally frozen by trauma.

Also slightly confused that the show has Chase proclaiming loud and clear that he's a Roidmude, while the promotional material tried to make it sound ambiguous as to whether or not he is one (plus the fact that he has a Rider-like transformation and can't just switch straight to Roidmude form like the others ...)

There's the possibility that Chase doesn't himself know exactly what's going on with him.
 

lazycoconut

I liked him when he wasn't a god
How could she, though? She didn't have the equipment for that. I doubt Shinnosuke without the Drive Driver could've done any better. It'd would've been nice, but as it was happening I really didn't have any idea what else she could've done.

I thought the plan was incredibly gutsy for her, especially considering that just in the previous episode, she was literally frozen by trauma.

I just felt that it came across as pulling the proverbial rug out from under her feet? I agree there wasn't anything much she could have done, but (IMO) it feels self-defeating to have what is supposed to be a major character-establishing moment show that she can't stand on her own and needs another character around her to function (especially when she expressly says "I have to keep going because I'm here to help Drive!")


There's the possibility that Chase doesn't himself know exactly what's going on with him.

Yeah ... I know we're only four episodes in, it's a little early to judge. But from the promotional descriptions of Chase, it made it sound like the question of whether or not he's a real Roidmude was going to be a major part of his character, so seeing him presented as if there's no question of him being anything other than a Roidmude was a little jarring for me. Maybe he's being built up to be fanatical only to discover he's not a Roidmude after all and force him down a new direction, I guess we'll see
 

Clocktower

Member
Why do people assume that "comparing it to Gaim" is the only reason why someone wouldn't like Drive?

I'm sure it's not the case for everyone, there's definitely some things to legitimately complain about, but it's easy to tell that at least some of the outcry (or even just indifference) about Drive just coming from the fact it's a very different show from Gaim.

Yeah ... I know we're only four episodes in, it's a little early to judge. But from the promotional descriptions of Chase, it made it sound like the question of whether or not he's a real Roidmude was going to be a major part of his character, so seeing him presented as if there's no question of him being anything other than a Roidmude was a little jarring for me. Maybe he's being built up to be fanatical only to discover he's not a Roidmude after all and force him down a new direction, I guess we'll see

They did also point out in this episode that he seems to share traits/abilities with Proto-Drive, so I think we can be sure there's something more going on with him.
 
Personally, I haven't been enjoying the show up until now because it's just not been enjoyable - period. I'm more comparing it to W and Wizard than Gaim myself (W for the staff, Wizard since it was the most recent "normal" series), since in hindsight, it seems like Gaim was always going to be an outlier, and this isn't even set up similarly.

As far as this episode goes, though, I actually enjoyed it a lot more than the first three. A lot more subtlety going on, no forced running gags, and progression and character development abound. I won't say the show itself is good yet, but it was a huge step forward. I'm not quite sure how they're going to be able to work the "Kamen Rider" thing though, unless there really was one fighting these guys before any of the Drives came along - or Belt-san is lying to us, which is perfectly possible.

Though I don't actually think there was any "plan" regarding Paint with Kiriko, honestly. Considering how she acted before Shinnosuke showed up and how Shinnosuke was acting prior to her arrival, the way I see it, she had her character-evolving moment, but that involved her being "weak," and Shinnosuke saved her not only by literally doing so, but by making up the story about the "plan" to throw off the Roidmude and save face. There actually being a plan (of which there was no indication prior that I caught that there was) would have just been cheap, whereas Shinnosuke seeing what was going on and covering for her shows a lot of character and even some much needed depth to these characters.

... But maybe I'm just giving them the benefit of the doubt and hoping they chose that route because it was an otherwise standup episode outside of that scene.
 

Actar

Otaku University Student
For me, it's just not hitting any of the right notes. Honestly, I'm not sure why people get annoyed when comparing Drive to other series like W or Gaim. Is it because they think that we want it to be another W and/or Gaim?

At least for me, that's not the case. I mean, W and Gaim are completely different series. Yet, they were both amazing. Despite their differences, they were able to excel in their given themes and formats. Those are examples that I bring up as examples of well executed shows.

Drive should indeed live and die on its own merits, but I'm just saying the merits aren't there for me (yet).
 

kuroihikari

Member
For me, I tried comparing it to Sanjo's previous works Fourze, Kyoryuger and W, but even that way it's hard to actually compare it to any single series..

It has the same "gather a group of evolved monsters" dynamic as Fourze, but it lacks Fourze's victim-monster relationship format. It has similar villains to Kyoryuger's: semi-invasive species whose survival depends on fighting the heroes, but they're also a more ragtag group who are out to protect themselves. The lack of organization and the lack of victim-monster relationship both make it very dissimilar to W.

The only previous Rider among the 3 Shinnosuke is close to is Shotaro, but they're driven by entirely different things: The former is duty, while the latter is patriotism. And in W it was usually Shotaro who's the most enthusiastic about his job.

And right now it's even harder to compare it to Gaim. The formats are very different (continuous arcs vs. cases of the fortnight). The presence of Drive's overarching story is not very apparent yet, but the same can be said of Gaim at this point in Gaim's run.
 

SentaiRiderFan

MV Maker
I think the problem is that Drive just isn't very fun. W, despite it's problems, had a style of humor that was all it's own, and Rider hadn't really done much like it at the time, but since then we've had OOO and Fourze do the same thing, and we've had Gaim come in and do something different. Comedy-wise (and tone-wise in general), Drive is retreading old ground (it's NOT going to catch people the same way W did) and is REALLY phoning it in. But that alone isn't what's keeping it from being fun to watch. The main reason (or at least one of the big ones) it isn't fun is the fact that the main character(s) just aren't very energetic or fun to watch. Think about this: how often does Shinnosuke smile? He does on occasion, but I can't think of one instance where he's really enjoying himself, certainly not the way Shotaro, Eiji, or Kota did.

Personally, I don't mind that (I've had more than had my fill of goofy riders), and I'm here for the mystery aspect, but those of you who can't get into it, I blame it on how much ground is being retreaded and how seriously they're taking the main characters, and while that can and has been done well (namely Tendo and perhaps Takumi), it's not entirely well-done here.
 

Wing Saber

Active Member
While Drive reuses a lot of ideas from W, it's not the same thing. Since it tells things from the cops' pov than a PI. To where Shinnosuke is protecting the entire city, than just individuals. Also Drive can't be compared to any of the older series, since it's still trying to find it's own way. At the same time it's not giving the show a chance.
 
K

Kamen Rider IXA

Guest
it helps that it has similarities to Fourze
As well as OOO. And that's exactly why so few people actually watch this boring piece of crap, imo.
Once again, we have a poor parody of W. A fourth one, to be precise.
 
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Undrave

CRETINS! ALL OF THEM!
Oh god the upgrades in this show >< it makes Fourze's Pen and Stamp modules look SENSIBLE! Seriously, you get an upgrade called 'Dimension Cab' and THIS is the best way to use it you can think of?! REALLY?! I could come up with like ten different ways that would be WAY cooler than splitting your hero in half in this ridiculous manner. How is that useful?!

I'm getting really annoyed at the lack of explainations here... why are the Shift Cars cars in the first place?! What are roidmudes? Are they rogue Shift Cars? Where do they come from? There's like TONS of stuff Belt could be telling his partner but he's keeping mum about it and Shinosuke is letting him get away with it! com'on man, question him some more!

I gotta agree with what people said about the fights, they're just not interesting. There is like zero drama!

I will say I enjoy the scenes of Shinosuke doing police work far more, they're actually interesting and I want to see more.

This episode was not bad although I didn't like it that, when Kiriko decided to stand up to Paint Roidmude, she was instantly overpowered and had to be rescued because heaven forbid she be able to fight her own corner.

I totally agree! That scene had be facepalming. :shakefist

Sure she didn't stand a chance but did they REALLY have to IMMEDIATEDLY take away Justice Hunter and disable her? Couldn't she have gotten into a short firefight with Paint just to show she can use that gun? Plus that whole scene, from the second fight with Chase to the resolution felt terribly awkward and unconvincing. It wasn't fun at all.
 

kuroihikari

Member
As well as OOO. And that's exactly why so few people actually watch this boring piece of crap, imo.
Once again, we have a poor parody of W. A fourth one, to be precise.

I think you don't know what a parody is. None of the Riders since W come close to being a W parody.

Nor do I think you (or any of us) are qualified to state "exactly why so few people" watch this.
 

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