Kamen Rider Beast

Tendou Soujiro

Kamen Rider Dark Kabuto
Kousuke is retardedly goofy and stupid considering the situation he's in every single day. I like his style and character but it just doesn't fit at all.
 

Tendou Soujiro

Kamen Rider Dark Kabuto
Just someone is dying doesn't mean they all take it the same way.

It doesn't add up at all.
Before he finds the belt, he's clearly just as cheerful and upbeat as he is now.
Then now, quite a while after finding out that he could die any moment if he doesn't feed Chimera, he hasn't changed a single bit. Doesn't make a bit of sense.

Then he finds another Wizard who may or may not be in his situation, then finds out that it's even worse in the sense that Haruto wants to eliminate all the Phantoms.

With all that in mind he maintains his joyful and careless nature which really doesn't make any sense at all.
 

bleachjoj

Member
It doesn't add up at all.
Before he finds the belt, he's clearly just as cheerful and upbeat as he is now.
Then now, quite a while after finding out that he could die any moment if he doesn't feed Chimera, he hasn't changed a single bit. Doesn't make a bit of sense.

Then he finds another Wizard who may or may not be in his situation, then finds out that it's even worse in the sense that Haruto wants to eliminate all the Phantoms.

With all that in mind he maintains his joyful and careless nature which really doesn't make any sense at all.

He's shown to take the whole dying thing pretty seriously. He just doesn't go around complaining about it. It's the same as Date having a bullet in brain that could kill him but he was just cheerful. He then say that he doesn't want anyone to die so he could live.
 

Tendou Soujiro

Kamen Rider Dark Kabuto
If Kousuke even remotely took it seriously he would've killed Haruto as soon as possible, but he didn't. Instead, he playfully calls him his rival.

It's nowhere near the same as Date's situation because the bullet had no way of killing him. A lot of WW2 survivors have bullets in their heads and the worse thing that can happen to them isn't even close to death. The worse thing that happened to Date was a headache which was just bad enough to prevent him from fighting.
 

bleachjoj

Member
If Kousuke even remotely took it seriously he would've killed Haruto as soon as possible, but he didn't. Instead, he playfully calls him his rival.

It's nowhere near the same as Date's situation because the bullet had no way of killing him. A lot of WW2 survivors have bullets in their heads and the worse thing that can happen to them isn't even close to death. The worse thing that happened to Date was a headache which was just bad enough to prevent him from fighting.

So you want an antagonistic rider? He said he doesn't want people to die so he can live. That's already been addressed so I'm not sure how killing Haruto would of made him more serious.

And pretty sure Date getting knocked around didn't help that bullet. And while some people can survive a bullet to the head there are cases when it does kill them. If the only thing threaten Date was a mere headache to keep him from fighting then why would he bother saving so much money to get it out?
 

Tendou Soujiro

Kamen Rider Dark Kabuto
So you want an antagonistic rider? He said he doesn't want people to die so he can live. That's already been addressed so I'm not sure how killing Haruto would of made him more serious.

And pretty sure Date getting knocked around didn't help that bullet. And while some people can survive a bullet to the head there are cases when it does kill them. If the only thing threaten Date was a mere headache to keep him from fighting then why would he bother saving so much money to get it out?

It's not that I prefer antagonistic Riders but it's more the fact that his situation requires that people die for his sake, plus the awesome lion motif. Not wanting people to die is exactly his problem. The only way he's going to suvive in his current state is for others to die, regardless of what he says. New Phantoms are going to be born whether he likes it or not. A true rivalry or conflict with Haruto would've made more sense if you consider his situation for once. He needs mana. Phantoms have mana. Phantoms are only born from people dying. Do the math.

Obviously. And he was never saving money just to get the bullet out,(it doesn't cost even close to a hundred million yen for surgery like that) he needed the money to set up a medical school, his true career and dream.
 

bleachjoj

Member
It's not that I prefer antagonistic Riders but it's more the fact that his situation requires that people die for his sake, plus the awesome lion motif. Not wanting people to die is exactly his problem. The only way he's going to suvive in his current state is for others to die, regardless of what he says. New Phantoms are going to be born whether he likes it or not. A true rivalry or conflict with Haruto would've made more sense if you consider his situation for once. He needs mana. Phantoms have mana. Phantoms are only born from people dying. Do the math.

He said in the last episode that he doesn't want that. That he took Haruto's advice about not worrying about living to see the next day.
 

Tendou Soujiro

Kamen Rider Dark Kabuto
He said in the last episode that he doesn't want that. That he took Haruto's advice about not worrying about living to see the next day.

I don't think you understand my point. I am fully aware of that. The problem is that it doesn't make sense, let alone him taking Haruto's advice. You need to understand Kousuke's situation, that there's a good chance that he's going to die if a Phantom isn't born. His life is even more on the line than Haruto's. His ideals simply don't make sense for someone whose life entirely depends on whether or not a Phantom is born. People are going to die regardless of what either of them say since new Phantoms are inevitably going to be born anyway. His situation almost even contradicts his ideals.

It's even stupider that he refused the chance to potentially get rid of Chimera.
 

bleachjoj

Member
I don't think you understand my point. I am fully aware of that. The problem is that it doesn't make sense, let alone him taking Haruto's advice. You need to understand Kousuke's situation, that there's a good chance that he's going to die if a Phantom isn't born. His life is even more on the line than Haruto's. His ideals simply don't make sense for someone whose life entirely depends on whether or not a Phantom is born. People are going to die regardless of what either of them say since new Phantoms are inevitably going to be born anyway. His situation almost even contradicts his ideals.

It's even stupider that he refused the chance to potentially get rid of Chimera.

But then it does make sense. It seems your under the assumption that because his life is on the line he has to be totally selfish and consider letting the gates die horribly for him to survive.
 

Tendou Soujiro

Kamen Rider Dark Kabuto
But then it does make sense. It seems your under the assumption that because his life is on the line he has to be totally selfish and consider letting the gates die horribly for him to survive.

It makes no sense at all and I cannot see how under any circumstance that it would make sense for someone to be like Kousuke under his conditions.

You don't understand how much his life is on the line here. The problem doesn't even have to be that he isn't selfish. The problem is that his ideals and actions don't even come close to someone who has a good chance of not seeing the day of tomorrow.
 

LaZerwolfX

Henshin a Go-Go!!
jesus christ you guys, Beast has been around for what, 2-3 episodes now? how about instead of nitpicking the few scraps of info we have on the character, I dunno.. develop, and then share our opinions.

and to soujiro, dude, for all you know beasts backstory could provide a totally legitimate reason for his attitude. but as i said we dont know enough about the character to make any credible statement on how he should act, as we know practically nothing. to try and analyze a character this early is completely and utterly asinine.
 

Tendou Soujiro

Kamen Rider Dark Kabuto
and to soujiro, dude, for all you know beasts backstory could provide a totally legitimate reason for his attitude. but as i said we dont know enough about the character to make any credible statement on how he should act, as we know practically nothing. to try and analyze a character this early is completely and utterly asinine.

I'm going off of what we know about him and nothing more. If we get info that contradicts what I think, then sure, whatever. Until then we can ***** about him all we want.
 

NoirSon

Another Climax
I probably might have preferred him being a bit more serious, although I guess with the main character already being the serious guy, the second rider will be a silly alternative.

Hope he is more then just the funny guy, I prefer Beast's design over Wizard's standard look.
 

KingRanger

Banned
jesus christ you guys, Beast has been around for what, 2-3 episodes now? how about instead of nitpicking the few scraps of info we have on the character, I dunno.. develop, and then share our opinions.

and to soujiro, dude, for all you know beasts backstory could provide a totally legitimate reason for his attitude. but as i said we dont know enough about the character to make any credible statement on how he should act, as we know practically nothing. to try and analyze a character this early is completely and utterly asinine.

If you don't feel the need to discuss the character or how he is, then don't take part in this thread. It is just that simple.

I can't stand him at all. Unless he does a complete turn around... I just don't see him growing on me.
 

NateRiver

Welcome
I really hope Beast dies.Not because I don't like his character.Heck, I'm like 13 episodes behind on the series and haven't even seen the guy in action yet, but I really think it'd provide some nice drama.I'm not saying all series should be grim dark, serious, everyone dies stuff, but the death would make the show more interesting.Plus, it would fit in with Kousuke's need for mana to survive.
 

Lynxara

Nice post!!
My guess is that despite popular opinion Beast maybe the one to do in phoenix and that is how he frees himself from Chimera. Since Phoenix seems to have a technical unending mana supply from rebirth beating and consuming him would free Nitoh and satisfy Chimera, because it would be like a never ending buffet.

I'm quoting this because I think it's a really good call. Wizard (the show) clearly isn't interested in engaging with the darker undertones that would logically arise from being in Kosuke's position. Generally a show like that gives a character a problem so it can be completely fixed at some point, and the heroes can triumph without compromise. Beast devouring Phoenix solves both of the show's apparently unsolvable problems.

Kousuke is retardedly goofy and stupid considering the situation he's in every single day. I like his style and character but it just doesn't fit at all.

I feel like Kosuke is a character cut from the same cloth as OOO's Eiji Hino, built around the idea of a guy in a terrible situation who doesn't want to lose his humanity to it. You could argue this basic idea goes back to Yuusuke Godai from Kuuga, or back to the way Hayato Ichimonji was written as a more cheerful character to contrast Hongo's moodier nature.

This is naturally going to seem less interesting than a darker take, because we've seen a lot more often and a lot more recently. Again, this is pretty much what OOO did for its protagonist exactly, and I imagine we'll see a similar arc in Kosuke (the hero is rewarded for clinging to his humanity despite all challenges). This is not by any means a bad story, but...

The idea of Kosuke as a darker character, someone conflicted by his need for mana, who might view Wizard as an enemy from the start or feel forced to side with the Phantoms... that's probably more appealing because it would be something different. Heisei Rider has had characters like that, but we haven't seen any of them since... what, Kiva? Kabuto? Arguably even earlier.
 
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