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Kamen Rider × Kamen Rider Gaim & Wizard The Fateful Sengoku Movie Battle Talk Up

How come no one told me how awful this movie is?

The Wizard part was 30 minutes of stupid, but the Gaim part was an hour of moronic story telling.
 

Scissors

Member
I still can't get over the fact that we got to see Nago again.
I don't care if it was only a small cameo. That just made the beginning perfect.

However, I felt that Toei cheated us. They kept promoting the movie as being a "Warring States Battle Royale with Kamen Riders", but when Kouta arrived there were only 3 Riders left.

I would gladly have traded Wizard's part of the movie in exchange for 30 minutes that focused on the Bujin Riders.
I don't even care if they couldn't bring back any original actors. The concept was interesting enough, and they could have left a ton of homages for the fans.
I had to look at the map again to notice that Bujin Kuuga was the ruler of Nagano. I love little details like that, and the movie could have had a lot more of them.
 

Lockon

Member
However, I felt that Toei cheated us. They kept promoting the movie as being a "Warring States Battle Royale with Kamen Riders", but when Kouta arrived there were only 3 Riders left.

I would gladly have traded Wizard's part of the movie in exchange for 30 minutes that focused on the Bujin Riders.
I don't even care if they couldn't bring back any original actors. The concept was interesting enough, and they could have left a ton of homages for the fans.
I had to look at the map again to notice that Bujin Kuuga was the ruler of Nagano. I love little details like that, and the movie could have had a lot more of them.
With you there, I would of loved a lot more of that. My knowledge of the Sengoku era may be... well, really I only know stuff I can piece together from video games and Tv Tropes, so it would of been new for me anyway.(By the by, why is it interesting that Kuuga is from Nagano?)

Actually, now that I think about it... Bujin Wizard works for Ieyasu as his most powerful warrior, correct? Would that make him... Honda Tadakatsu? Or is my lack of info making a fool of me again?
 
With you there, I would of loved a lot more of that. My knowledge of the Sengoku era may be... well, really I only know stuff I can piece together from video games and Tv Tropes, so it would of been new for me anyway.(By the by, why is it interesting that Kuuga is from Nagano?)

Actually, now that I think about it... Bujin Wizard works for Ieyasu as his most powerful warrior, correct? Would that make him... Honda Tadakatsu? Or is my lack of info making a fool of me again?

Kuuga took place around Nagano's area.
 

NeonZ

Active Member
With you there, I would of loved a lot more of that. My knowledge of the Sengoku era may be... well, really I only know stuff I can piece together from video games and Tv Tropes, so it would of been new for me anyway.(By the by, why is it interesting that Kuuga is from Nagano?)

Actually, now that I think about it... Bujin Wizard works for Ieyasu as his most powerful warrior, correct? Would that make him... Honda Tadakatsu? Or is my lack of info making a fool of me again?

Ieyasu had 4 famous warriors, Tadakatsu Honda is the most famous one out of those. So, it could be meant to be him. It could also be Naomasa Ii, since he actually died from battle wounds.

Still, Bujin Gaim has no counterpart in history, so maybe none of the Bujin themselves are meant to have counterparts either.
 

Eldar

Member
How come no one told me how awful this movie is?

The Wizard part was 30 minutes of stupid, but the Gaim part was an hour of moronic story telling.

That has been that way for awhile. Same reason we don't expect much from the Super Taisen Moviese.
 

pipermae

Member
The best part of this movie for me was the cameo of Terui and Akiko that was actually a few minutes long.

Other than that, this movie was just weird, all in all.

I do prefer the Wizard part over Gaim's, though.
 

Scissors

Member
Gaim's part would have been so much better if the writers had done the most logical thing: Make an actual samurai movie with the Gaim Riders.
I can not understand why they felt the need to create modern sengoku era with machine guns, trucks and weird personalities.

I know that design-wise, they would have had problems adding some of the Heisei Riders to the enviroment, but since the past Riders were not really in the movie at all, I would have gone creative and had some of the generals wear armor that resembled some of the Riders.

If they wanna pay tribute to old japanese warlords and rulers, then do it in a respectful manner.
Why not have the actual Tokugawa Ieyasu appear in the movie? It would have made the movie more interesting and also educational.

7 War Oni is still the superior "Ancient Rider" movie IMO.
 

Amon

New Member
This movie is fill of plot holes. It's the weakest Rider War movie since Kamen Rider W X Kamen Rider OOO. This could have been so much better!
 

NeonZ

Active Member
Gaim's part would have been so much better if the writers had done the most logical thing: Make an actual samurai movie with the Gaim Riders.
I can not understand why they felt the need to create modern sengoku era with machine guns, trucks and weird personalities.

As far as weird personalities go, really, most products featuring Sengoku era characters for younger or even teenager audiences seem to do that. Look at the Samurai Warriors and Sengoku Basara games (and anime in the later case), which often have rather "colorful" interpretations of the historical figures. Samurai Warriors has more classical interpretations for some characters (like Ieyasu himself), but often they can be rather out there too.

For the second one, I guess it's part of the way Toei has avoided going with completely alternate universe movies for a while. So, they couldn't just have the movie feature the Gaim cast from some alternate Samurai world and had to throw the tv show characters there somehow.

In spite of the eccentricities given to them though, both Nobunaga and Ieyasu here had clear references at least to the way they're often portrayed in pop culture (when they aren't portrayed as villains, at least), like Ieyasu's speech about unifying the country for the people or his answer to carrying on after losses. Both are very similar to things said by Samurai Warriors Ieyasu, and Nobunaga here even seemed to try to do the slow voice thing that Nobunaga has in both Samurai Warriors and Sengoku Basara.

I think something that definitely hurt the story though was Bujin Gaim. He neither mirrors any Sengoku era character, nor Kouta himself. He's basically just a random monster that looks like a Rider and that brings down the movie's entire conflict considering how he's the main villain. His presence also means that the general story here didn't really follow the flow of the Sengoku Era battles, in spite of some references (like Nobunaga dying at Honnoji, but without either being about to unify the country or Mitsuhide betraying him).
 

Scissors

Member
You have a point about Bujin Gaim.
It would have made the story flow better if it had been about Kouta trying to help Ieyasu unite the country, and stop the other Riders from fighting.
 

Amon

New Member
The biggest issue to me was:

1. How did Ogre obtained the power of the Phantoms that were previously defeated by Wizard and Beast?

2. Why did Bujin Gaim wanted Mai so badly?

This movie was a big let down to me since the last two winter crossover movies were great. I hope Gaim X Drive will be a big improvement.
 
So I watched it again..... And I still think it's terrible -_-

My updated 2 cents:

Pros:

-There were legitimate good story points for Wizard.
-I liked the setting they used for Gaim's story... Even though it's probably another reused Toei set.
-If you ignore how stupid the rider armor was, it's a nice reference to the older series.
-That Zangetsu-Fourze thing was pretty funny.

Cons:

-EVERYTHING ELSE!!!!!!!!!
 
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Ryousha

Member
So I watched it again..... And I still think it's terrible -_-

The only thing good about this movie is the dancing and Mai being in a cute outfit. Other than that, this movie is terrible. It's amateur at best, possibly creates continuity problems due to minor stuff such as Kouta basically either lost the Suika Lockseed and Dandeliner Lock Vehicle, or he had them destroyed because of his recklessness and the fact that Zangetsu possibly missed Mitchy two times because he was too busy focused on Baron and focused on Kouta. Though if you let these all go, I suppose it fits continuity perfectly. I hate this movie. Not even Zangetsu Fourze Arms could make the movie feel better.
 

Lockon

Member
Meh, it's a turn your brain off film. I mean, for me, Zangetsu Fourze Arms was worth the price of admission. Which is why I'm glad that I didn't pay for this, as I sincerely pity anyone who DID pay for it.

I do say it's probably AU, as where the heck was that Arena before? I mean, if it's canon, why don't we get to see at least one fight there. Although, maybe that's just my personal like for gladiatorial-style fights talking.
 
It seems that it's an ongoing trend that Tokusatsu from other series makes the movie suck (though, are at least some exceptions).

I stated that Super Hero Taisen was gonna be one of the biggest disappointments ever.... I was right.

I hope to god that Gaim's movie is good. I hate Maius' helmet, some stuff sounds neat.... Some doesn't.
 

Sentaifan'07 Xman

"Let's DRIVING!!!!!"
The Good
-Wizard's chapter. A final heartfelt farewell to Koyomi
-Great action scenes
-The storyline set-up for the Bujin Gaim's World
-The Legend Rider Arms henshin sequence
-Takatora almost doing Fourze's "Uchuu KITAAA!!!" pose, but stopped. :laugh:
-Koyomi actually being the White Wizard for this movie

The Bad
-Nitou never fully explained how he found and recaptured Kimera
-Kouta not doing the Gaim Wizard Arms finisher
-Kurokage and Gridon barely do anything in the film
-No mentioned of any of the Showa-era Bujin Riders
-The villain in Wizard's chapter wasn't really threatening
-The fate of the Blood Orange Lockseed

Overall, it was okay. Just not as epic as Movie Taisen MEGAMAX, Super Hero Taisen Z, or Movie Taisen Ultimatum.

I'd give it a 3 out of 5.
 

NeonZ

Active Member
I don't see how this movie requires one to "turn off your brain" any more than usual. The main issue is that Bujin Gaim is underveloped for a main villain, but the movie had clear character arcs for Kouta and Kaito, and managed to add Wizard into the main story itself, rather than just the final battle. The Bujins either were pretty much only visuals for exposition scenes (pre-W Riders), or had actual, even if small, roles (W and on).

The Takatora stuff was dumb too, but it's rather minor stuff, and only in a continuity way, considering how in the movie itself they never mention that Micchy and Takatora are siblings.

It seems that it's an ongoing trend that Tokusatsu from other series makes the movie suck (though, are at least some exceptions).
This movie had nothing aside from Kamen Rider though...


I do say it's probably AU, as where the heck was that Arena before? I mean, if it's canon, why don't we get to see at least one fight there. Although, maybe that's just my personal like for gladiatorial-style fights talking.
We didn't see the arena itself, but we did see the song they played there alongside the Team Pop Up members.
 

CannibalS

Guillotine Gorilla
I liked this movie surprisngly a lot more than I thought I would, as far as the seconf half is concerned. Reminded me of the days when Gaim knew what it was doing and was coherent and not ths fanfic-y pseudo-intellectual pretentiousness. Got kinda boring at the last 20 or so minutes, but what can you do.

Also, having Haruto himself be the last person he saves is thematic brilliance.
 

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