[DISCUSSION] Kamen Rider Zi-O, Episode 33

[SamuraiEchidna]

Spoiler: Clothes

I don't recall if Oni ever untransform to their civilian clothes after fight in original series. Mostly they skipped time and that Oni already in another place with new clothes like in episode 3 or above when Hibiki fight Jiraigumo while escort Asumu and his cousin or after the fight they are just revert back only head part with their body still in Oni Form. If you kindly give me specific episode which show Oni immediately turn back to civilian clothes after the fight.

As far I know, when they transform into Oni, their own elemental power will destroy their clothes. That is why they usually bring supporter or backpack full of supplies. In Todoroki case, lightning will shred and burn his clothes. They show process when their clothes destroyed more clearly with Todoroki and Zanki because lightning not fully distorting view of their body unlike fire or wind elemental.
Hibiki alternate dimension in Decade series still have this as their gimmick, maybe because there is not much change to actor after 4 year of series.

I agree if Zi-O have not enough time to make new measurement for Todoroki costume. Although, they actually can go with skipping untransformed scene and immediately change location.

First of all, thank you for using the Spoiler tag. I bow to you.
As for your question...
I'll get back to you on that. Don't have time to marathon Hibiki again, I was just going off of foggy memory.

Spoiler

I was pretty sure that was how it worked back then... I honestly don't remember the Oni Riders going naked that often. But if I'm wrong, then maybe preserving their clothes is a recent thing. I mean, it's been many years between the Hibiki TV series and Zi-O, so maybe the Oni Riders have found a new technique to make it possible? If becoming an Oni is simply a matter of physical training and discipline, then maybe additional training could prevent the loss of clothing?

 

[Hangyakuno]

First of all, thank you for using the Spoiler tag. I bow to you.
As for your question...
I'll get back to you on that. Don't have time to marathon Hibiki again, I was just going off of foggy memory.

Spoiler

I was pretty sure that was how it worked back then... I honestly don't remember the Oni Riders going naked that often. But if I'm wrong, then maybe preserving their clothes is a recent thing. I mean, it's been many years between the Hibiki TV series and Zi-O, so maybe the Oni Riders have found a new technique to make it possible? If becoming an Oni is simply a matter of physical training and discipline, then maybe additional training could prevent the loss of clothing?

Spoiler

If my memory is correct, they put it subtly at first, they show clothes torn off or burned but Oni rarely lose to Makamou so at first half there is no naked scene. Even when Ibuki and Akira lose their fight, Hibiki quickly take over scene and blurred their state after forced to de-henshin. I didn't remember what happened to Eiki when he got ambushed but there is Zanki naked scene on beach.

I didn't remember it if Hibiki World episode in Decade didn't clearly show it. And I watch Decade even before I watch Hibiki.

 

[Black Fang]

And before I get yelled at for going off-topic on this dead forum that doesn't have much activity, I'll point this out about Zi-o -- notice how the show's so lazy it ignores what Hibiki establishes when Todoroki untransforms -- he's just back in his civilian clothes! They either didn't want to take the time to put Kawaguchi in the Todoroki suit and/or modify it for his current measurements or didn't want to explain why Todoroki might have been naked.

Eh, stuff like this I'm willing to forgive. (Just like why Shinji suddenly has short black hair.) I'm just glad that Toei actually brought back all of these people at all rather than having a rehash of Decade. (And Rina Akiyama actually playing Mana again instead of the annoying Naomi.)

 

[Black Fang]

I had to giggle a bit when Kyousuke said that Oni "celebrate nature". Like, seriously? Their job was to go around and (in Hibiki's case quite literally) beat to death any nature spirits that attempted to fight back against humanity's environmental destruction.

The Makamou are just killers from folklore. If there is some comment on humans encroaching on nature, that's consequential and not a conscious goal for them.