Chances of Old Shows being continued?

[NeonZ]

RX was back in 1988. Toei's shows have become a lot more gimmicky since then. I wonder if they really would go an RX route in this day and age.

In spite of the bigger number of gimmicks of modern shows, the transition to Black RX shows that it could be done even today, if they felt like it. It basically threw away every merchandising-related element from Black in a single episode, afterwards, everything was reformulated into "Black RX". If a sequel happened to a modern show, you'd probably be looking at a similar scenario.

Old belt, bike and general gimmicks would be written out in the first episode of the new show and replaced by completely new stuff, exactly like a new series, only keeping some characters around. Some designs could reference the previous show directly and a few token stories could use old elements, but the core of the show would be new due to the necessity of an "All new" merchandising line. It won't happen today though because they have a strong formula in place for Rider and Sentai and won't touch it.

 

[Scissors]

Kamen Rider is not Ultraman. People won't care what happened to the characters in the diffrent shows.
The only reason we have any kind of story in the KR shows, is because there has to be one.
Toei and Bandai would be more than satisfied if they could just make a whole show about face-less Riders fighting each other while screaming "buy us!"

 

[AtoMan]

[hide] In Agito, a lot of people are becoming Agitos because of the end battle and the spreading of the seeds, a story can be worked from there.

In Ryuki, everything was gone due to reset, but a new story can evolve from that assuming Kanzaki decides to redo it.

In Faiz, Orphenoch King has the chance of coming back someday and there could be new systems and all.

In Blade, Kenzaki can be the new antagonist going mad and all cause of being Joker and craving battle,

In Hibiki, well I'm not sure about this one cause a lot of people didn't like it...

In Kabuto, can always go and visit the Worms home planet.

In Den-O... oh wait, they're already doing it.

In Kiva, the whole ending with the Neo-Fangire and Wataru's son from the future.

In Decade... visit Double, OOO and Fourze's world?

In Double, well technically it feels like it's done you know.

Annd OOO and Fourze's story's not done yet [/hide]

So what's your thoughts?

So no Kuuga sequel? xD Well, everything is doable, given we have got Rising Ultimate Kuuga and Abyss..

[hide]Agito - since the Agito is constantly evolving, also people becoming Agitos... it has potential, but could turn into a second Faiz with Agitos being just glorified Orphnochs.

Ryuki - well, it got a Sailor Moon ending, and SM continued for 4 more incarnations so it's perfectly doable... but with some new threat. KRDK would be easier to continue.

Faiz - rebuilt Smart Brain, new Riders, scientists trying to make a "cure" for Orpchnochs that are dying... a lot of possibilities here. And hopefully new forms and upgrades for old Riders!

Blade - basically a canonical Missing Ace. Of course it would differ greatly, but with more Undead running aroung, Kenzaki could return "safely" so two Jokers could fight other monsters once again. Kerberos being used as a basis for new, unstable Rider; splitting into three entities, easier to harness. King Form for Garren (the "intended" one, when he merges only with King) and Jack Form for Leangle.

Hibiki - with hundreds of Oni running around, the show could run for AGES, even with switching cast.

Kabuto - something between Faiz and Blade sequels - introduce Hercus/Ketaros (add Caucasus later) since all Zecters other than Kabuto and Gatack are damaged/destroyed (but will be fixed later ); a new character taking Hercus Zecter and transforming while trying to run from ZECT and its intended user - who becomes TheBee (for obvious reasons it's the first "fixed" Zecter, also due to similarities betwen it and Kabutech ones). I have many more ideas for this series

Den-O - yeah, movies, New Den-O and such. What i want to see is a sequel series having "proper" Ryotaro and Yuuto, but revolving around a new character who uses similar Den-O powers - in fact, the very same Rider Pass Ryotaro uses, got from the day when Hana lost it (and implied to be returned seconds after that, thanks to time travel ). Basically an anti-heroic black repaint Den-O, manipulated by unknown villains while time goes back to pre Den-O state, resulting in Sakurai's unexpected omeback, as well as Gaoh's... in short, more plot-driven series than original.

Kiva - Start with the wedding from the series finale, but without Masao - his character would appear later, not as ridiculous character, possibly with different Kiva powers; or maybe a female descendant using Kivara? Anyways, the "secret invasion" of Neo Fangires accompanied by "regular Fangires" attacking people. Show that the world has changed due to Wataru's time travel - Kiva no longer should have sealed Kiva Form. Maybe add another future Rider, this time another IXA model with proper English voice and red-colored Rising form. The "two times" formula could continue with year 2040 or such being the other time.

Decade - not much to do here outside of potential teamup movies, they would have to introduce a new Rider (Dark Decade?), some more dimension hopping to random worlds (including originals!)...

W - we have two time periods to use:
1) First Year - Shotaro and Phil learning to use W, add some unseen Museum executives, some freelance villain, maybe them losing the belt for a while and Shotaro becoming Joker for the first time (in A to Z he seemed accustomed to that already...)
2) Joker Days - everything between last two episodes of the series, EXE as villain group.
Possibly Kiva-like scenario with two timelines, making it possible to use both scenarios in one series.

OOO - depends on the upcoming Movie Wars, but i had an idea for Core Medals to pop out in different places of the world, possesing random people and Kogami being forced to produce more Births to deal with the situation; possibly new Greeds based off old Cores, Lost Ankh-like; add an amnesiac character using different OOO belt, unaware of being Dinosaur Greed (not a possesed human this time)...[/hide]

Potentially, every series could get a sequel. The problem is, Toei has no reason to produce such, since it doesn't guarantee Den-O-level commercial success.

 

[Forever Knight]

W got continued with the Accel and Eternal films and now returning again in MEGAMAX.

 

[Eiji Hino]

shin and kiva could be revisited. both were left with an open ending,

 

[Japaneseseriesfan]

I understand a few people have been mentioning a system that works, and that it's not Ultraman. But thing is, it depends on the fans right? I mean, the kids themselves are fans, too. So... wouldn't they be better off doing something that is good for their business and for the fans at the same time too? I mean they DO have to maintain their huge amount of fans cause they can't say **** it and just base it on toys all the time because if that's the case, there's only so many little kids that wants them. There's more fans than little kids which is something they kinda have to consider.

 

[NeonZ]

I understand a few people have been mentioning a system that works, and that it's not Ultraman. But thing is, it depends on the fans right? I mean, the kids themselves are fans, too. So... wouldn't they be better off doing something that is good for their business and for the fans at the same time too?

A sequel season would need to somehow fit in an entirely new merchandising line though. We're talking about something much bigger, and happening quicker, than the usual introduction of upgrades. It could end up just annoying fans who were looking forward to the sequel.

There's more fans than little kids which is something they kinda have to consider.

No, there aren't. Kamen Rider and Super Sentai aren't niche franchises. Fans only outnumber general audiences for niche franchises.

 

[Japaneseseriesfan]

No, there aren't. Kamen Rider and Super Sentai aren't niche franchises. Fans only outnumber general audiences for niche franchises.

But you're missing the point here. How long has Kamen Rider been around? And over those years, don't you think all those little kids grew up and are still fans? The number of our population in the world may have increased, but in this case, 40 years worth of fans are still around, compared to the few 3-4 year olds they're trying to sell toys to.

 

[NeonZ]

But you're missing the point here. How long has Kamen Rider been around? The number of our population in the world may have increased, but in this case, 40 years worth of fans are still around, compared to the few 3-4 year olds they're trying to sell toys to.

The modern trend of "anniversary" seasons, and even the expanded merchandising line with collectibles based on past Riders, is supposed to fill that space though, acknowledging and using the franchise's history to reach older audiences. An actual sequel would mean picking a single series out of the franchise's story, a single year in the past, so, we wouldn't be talking about 40 years anyway. We'd be talking about a single specific year in the franchise's history and the audience that followed it.

Aside from that, they'd have to make a whole new show based on the old setting, while also having to phase out most old merch items in order to promote new ones, which would instantly hurt part of its nostalgic appeal...

And over those years, don't you think all those little kids grew up and are still fans?

No, many aren't fans anymore. We're talking about franchises that used until recently to almost completely ignore their own past. There wasn't a Rider 1 appearing every other show to keep himself and his show relevant to various audiences. During Decade, producer Shirakura talked about how modern audiences didn't seem interested in buying Kuuga and Agito products, because thos ehosws meant nothing to them, and how it was a mistake let that happen.

 

[Digifiend]

In spite of the bigger number of gimmicks of modern shows, the transition to Black RX shows that it could be done even today, if they felt like it. It basically threw away every merchandising-related element from Black in a single episode, afterwards, everything was reformulated into "Black RX". If a sequel happened to a modern show, you'd probably be looking at a similar scenario.

Old belt, bike and general gimmicks would be written out in the first episode of the new show and replaced by completely new stuff, exactly like a new series, only keeping some characters around. Some designs could reference the previous show directly and a few token stories could use old elements, but the core of the show would be new due to the necessity of an "All new" merchandising line. It won't happen today though because they have a strong formula in place for Rider and Sentai and won't touch it.

There's a more famous example of this than Black RX. Power Rangers Zeo and Power Rangers in Space both count (Turbo doesn't, they never explained why the old Zeo powers had to go).