2020-2021: Kamen Rider Saber

Toku Prime

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Somehow my brain has only just properly processed that the theme songs are being performed by the Tokyo Ska Paradise Orchestra, and now I'm excited to hear them but also concerned because that means they're going to have to live up to "Anything Goes" (from OOO), which is one of my favorite Rider opening themes.
 

Black Fang

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I for one never liked "Anything Goes" or any of OOO's ska punk, especially as it didn't go with the fight scenes at all.

I miss the days of "No Fear! No Pain!".
 

Toku Prime

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Three more members of Saber's cast have been revealed. From left to right...

Hiroyuki Harayama plays the previous Kamen Rider Saber (real name as yet unrevealed). 15 years ago he fought against Kamen Rider Calibur and in the process rescued a boy called Touma Kamiyama, who will eventually becomes our main character and the new Saber.

Yuki Ikushima plays Ryo Ogami a.k.a. Kamen Rider Buster. He used to be the strongest swordsman and Calibur was his best friend. Now he concentrates on raising his son, Sora, and attempts to find out why his old friend betrayed Sword of Logos. He still wields the massive sword 'Dogouken Gekidou.'

TOBI from Les Romanesques (a performance duo that are usually based in Paris and appeared on France's Got Talent) plays the show's storyteller, a mysterious being known as 'Tassel.'


A look at Buster's suit, complete with even bigger sword!
 

Black Fang

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"Tassel"

Yeah, that bodes really well for this show. Imagine if a show like Agito had a character like that. -__-
 

Captain Shark

An ocean of depression and misery
^Given how most 00s Kamen Rider had little to no fun and very slow pacing outside of Kiva's second half I can imagine it might have been less of a slog.
 

Dr Kain

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Little to no fun? Are you high right now? I can't think of any Kamen Rider series outside of that abysmal Amazons Season 2 that took itself too seriously.
 

Captain Shark

An ocean of depression and misery
While I'll admit covid might have given me memory problems (or suicidal depression, heard that blocks out memories too), Kuuga through Kabuto did try to take themselves too seriously. W and Gaim also sort of did but not to the same extent and Ex-Aid was too curve-bally to place it in that category.
 

Black Fang

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Little to no fun? Are you high right now? I can't think of any Kamen Rider series outside of that abysmal Amazons Season 2 that took itself too seriously.
Amazons Season 2 was great. I don't know why people keep trashing it.

Maybe I'm just so disillusioned with the regular show that anything Amazons-related is a gem by comparison, but I had a lot of fun with both seasons, and the movie.
 

Dr Kain

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Amazons Season 2 was great. I don't know why people keep trashing it.
Amazons Season 2 was dreadful. It was downright boring and threw in some creepy ass necrophelia plot that was completely unneccessary. The new rider dude was not even half as good as the previous ones. Jin felt completely out of character. None of the new characters were actually likable and it took like 8 episodes for the ones that were from the first season to come back. The main dude from Season 1 (can't remember his name anymore) also felt out of character and his backstory between seasons didn't make sense. And then there was no final battle. We never got to actually see the payoff for sitting through that unrelentless slop. Being dark and edgy doesn't make it good. All it did was make it pretentious.

The movie was also painful to sit through, though it was at least better than Season 2.

While I'll admit covid might have given me memory problems (or suicidal depression, heard that blocks out memories too), Kuuga through Kabuto did try to take themselves too seriously. W and Gaim also sort of did but not to the same extent and Ex-Aid was too curve-bally to place it in that category.
So Shinji always tripping in Ryuki and getting yelled at by his hysterically over-the-top boss was serious? What about the cooking episodes to Blade? Or watching Amane always go off on her uncle all of the time? His milk obsession and the sound effects from it? W had the cops that were always falling down. Gaim started out goofy. Hell, the show revolved around break dancing, that's not even remotely serious and the movie dealt with soccer.

Taking itself seriously does not mean not having fun. Yes, the shows had serious tones, which is also why they are superior to what has been happening. No show has yet to surpass Blade as being the best Kamen Rider series.
 

Toku Prime

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Amazons Season 2 was great. I don't know why people keep trashing it.
I will save you an extremely long rant and simply say Chihiro/Iyu is a toxic relationship. They should not be together. If she ever regained her freewill then it would end in (probably violent) tragedy.

And if the story was about a literal manchild who destroys the very thing he wants due to his own lack of maturity, that would be understandable. Heck, his Amazon form even feels like symbolism for this, given that he's a literal giant monster.

But no, the show seems to want us to actually root for them, as if this was a tragic romance in the tradition of Romeo and Juliet. And I am not on board with that for a single second. I would have serious concerns about anyone who did.

Add onto that how everything from season one is put on pause to make room for this 🤢 "romance" 🤮 and the new characters are all complete psychopaths who seem to have no function beyond building you up to cheer if/when they die. I don't know what there is to like about it really?
Maybe I'm just so disillusioned with the regular show that anything Amazons-related is a gem by comparison, but I had a lot of fun with both seasons, and the movie.
The first season is a throwback to the early Heisei "j-drama" style shows. Personally I'd say that, except for Kuuga, that's my least favourite era of Rider. I much prefer either the Showa stuff or whatever you want to call everything from Den-O onward. So I wasn't wild about s1, but it was what it was.

The movie was probably the best part of Amazons. It attempted to wrap up as much of the plot points from season one as possible, it almost entirely ignored the second season, and it had plenty of action. Also, it very clearly showed that Jin was a villain, which a lot of people seemed to misinterpret from s1.
 

Shogun_Master

Why is every good TV show Cancelled
There was that, the grandma who ran the shop, a couple of silly episodes like the golden crawfish story or the episode where Gai tries to blackmail ORE for his own amusement, there was the really wierd tech girl who always sat in the corner of the ORE office & just said & did the most bizarre things they could think of.

Actually, I tried to get my little brother to watch Ryuki & told him it was more serious. He got as far as the first time that lady came on screen, then turned around & sarcastically went, "oh, yeah. You're totally right." It was trying to be a darker, more serious show, but it had fun every so often.

I kind of agree on Amazons. I had to force myself to watch season 2 because it had little to nothing to do with the story I was already invested it & now I can barely remember what even happened in it.
 

Black Fang

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I will save you an extremely long rant and simply say Chihiro/Iyu is a toxic relationship. They should not be together. If she ever regained her freewill then it would end in (probably violent) tragedy.
That's kinda the whole point. Amazons and Rider has a whole is steeped in tragedy.

And if the story was about a literal manchild who destroys the very thing he wants due to his own lack of maturity, that would be understandable. Heck, his Amazon form even feels like symbolism for this, given that he's a literal giant monster.

But no, the show seems to want us to actually root for them, as if this was a tragic romance in the tradition of Romeo and Juliet. And I am not on board with that for a single second. I would have serious concerns about anyone who did.

Add onto that how everything from season one is put on pause to make room for this 🤢 "romance" 🤮 and the new characters are all complete psychopaths who seem to have no function beyond building you up to cheer if/when they die. I don't know what there is to like about it really?
Funny, I didn't get that vibe at all. Either you're all watching a different show or your just have totally different thought processes.

The first season is a throwback to the early Heisei "j-drama" style shows. Personally I'd say that, except for Kuuga, that's my least favourite era of Rider.
Perhaps this is the crux of it all. The best era of Rider was the Kuuga-Hibiki years. Maybe the very early part of Kabuto as well.

Also, it very clearly showed that Jin was a villain, which a lot of people seemed to misinterpret from s1.
Not really. He's not the "Muahaha I'm EEEVVIILLL!!" character if that'd what you mean. It's just the idea of the desire to "do good" can lead one to evil deeds. Amazons just repeats Kobayashi's penchant for her Rider shows having two main characters at odds with each other and having to get along somehow.

Being dark and edgy doesn't make it good. All it did was make it pretentious.
I saw little difference between Season 1 and Season 2. Frankly my only real issues wirh Amazons were exactly what the Amazons were supposed to be (the show's not very clear on it) and that there was no real takedown of Nozama, or even some confrontation with the old President/Founder/whatever.
 

Toku Prime

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It's been reported that the main suit actor for Saber will not be Yuya Nawata, who played Zero-One.

Instead it will be Kosuke Asai, whose previous roles include Cheeda Nick, Kyoryu Green, ToQ #6, AkaNinger, ZyuOh Eagle, Kamen Rider Chronus, Lupin Red, and most recently Kamen Rider Vulcan.
 

Shogun_Master

Why is every good TV show Cancelled
I'm still trying to find the opening theme somewhere, bit in the meantime, here is Kamen Rider Saber's official end theme.


Ok, here is a press release on the subject that features it. You have to skip to about 1:20 to hear a snippet of it.

 
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Shogun_Master

Why is every good TV show Cancelled
Saber just premiered today.

I haven't seen it, but it looks likely that if we get subs at all, they won't be very good. Rangerboard has noted that at least two groups have opted out. I can't tell if it's because they aren't interested, or because Rider is finally beginning to move into the US market & they're concerned about liability.

Still, if Shout Factory is releasing these shows, now, & everything works out, we'll probably get it here eventually.

First henshin, which is interestingly different from what we got in the earlier preview clip:


Also, the ending dance sequence, featuring a hostage cast.

 
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Dr Kain

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So Over-Time has said they will not be subbing the show which means the first episode must be pretty bad considering they still subbed Zi-O and Ryusoulger.
 

Shogun_Master

Why is every good TV show Cancelled
From what people have been saying, it's definitely different & they're not sure what to make of it. Mostly campy & plot heavy. Plus, Overtime made this decision days ago, so that may not be the reason. I've also considered that it may be legal, & someone noted that they and some other subbers did receive a cease & desist letter when Shout announced that they were doing Kuuga, but it was only explicitly related to subbing Kuuga. So, who knows.
 
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