2020-2021: Kamen Rider Saber

Toku Prime

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The trademark bot has come up with the goods again! Toei has filed an application for a trademark on the term 'Kamen Rider Saber.'

According to people on twitter who know more than me about Japanese (i.e. anything) Toei are using the kanji for "holy" and "blade" to make the word 'Saber'.

Don't get too excited just yet, it's usually at least another month before we get any more details. Between COVID-19 and Bandai generally tightening up on leaks, it could be even longer than usual.
 
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Shogun_Master

Why is every good TV show Cancelled
Ah, you beat me to it! I only just found out.

Well, a lot of people think there will be a medieval euro-centric knight thing, but I almost wonder if there's a saber/ Saba pun going on & it will focus on south Asian culture. Doesn't Japan have a lot of immigrants from the Vietnam/ Thailand/ Cambodia region today? Might make sense.
 

raden238

Active Member
Welp so much for the Double Rider rumor. It's Kamen Rider Saber! I would like to think that this is just another creative pun by Toei but its looking like a Medieval times Kamen Rider. Which is not bad, its different, we'd had Medieval inspired Riders before like Knight and Brave. I wouldn't mind if Saber has a cool new sword for every form change.
 

Dr Kain

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Please no, I despise Fate/**** night and now not even /m/ is safe from Type Moon nonsense.
What are you going on about? First off, Fate/Zero was an amazing series. I watched it earlier this year and it was worth every grain of hype. Secondly, What does Fate have to do with kamen Rider?
 

Toku Prime

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I've never watched or played anything in the Fate franchise (I get the impression that you need to be familiar with the visual novels to really "get" the anime?) and even I'm aware that it has a prominent character called Saber.

I've already seen quite a few jokes about it in responses to the Rider trademark news. People thinking it's very witty to post tweets saying "New Rider revealed" and a photo of (what I assume to be) her, etc. I would have gone all "old man hates this newfangled rubbish" on them, but I guess it makes a change from those people who post a slightly blurred screenshot of an Armor Hero and claim that it's a leaked photo.

It's your "Winger" comment that I don't understand though. Was that a rumor going round before this news came out?
 
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Dr Kain

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I've never watched or played anything in the Fate franchise (I get the impression that you need to be familiar with the visual novels to really "get" the anime?) and even I'm aware that it has a prominent character called Saber.
Nope. Fate/Zero gives you all of the info you need throughout it's show as it is the first story in the timeline. Not surprised given it's from the genius who have us Kamen Rider Gaim and Psycho Pass.

It's your "Winger" comment that I don't understand though. Was that a rumor going round before this news came out?
A few months ago the rumored title going around the internet was Kamen Rider Winger.
 

Shogun_Master

Why is every good TV show Cancelled
Well, speaking of the supposed female rider, someone on Rangerboard asked what a female rider in a European Medieval themed series would be that would make sense, so, since I can't answer them & for my own amusement:

Joan of Arc (albeit, that would probably mean she would have to die by the end.)

A queen (several different "warrior queen" types are kind of an underappreciated part of European history. Sometimes, there was just no king & the queen had to fulfill both roles herself. Hell, the ruler who single-handedly formed what is now Russia was Tzarina Catherine the Great, I think.)

A seer (my mind's stuck on a sort of nomadic gypsy/con woman sort of character. It's not exactly medieval, given the withcraft thing. On the other hand, someone gave an Inari reference & the Redwall novels always equated foxes with either the gypsy or ancient Celtic stereotypes.)
 

Captain Shark

An ocean of depression and misery
Fate/Zero was an amazing series.
It had atrocious animation, painfully slow pacing, no likeable characters, awful writing, a bland art style, and inconsistent run times with its episodes.
and it was worth every grain of hype.
It was one of the only 15 anime I've ever given a 1/10. Type Moon ties with Trigger and the guy that made Mob Psycho for biggest cancer in anime today.
What does Fate have to do with kamen Rider?
The memes.
I've never watched or played anything in the Fate franchise
It's cancerous and /a/ only likes it for the easy reaction images and the sheer amount porn that came out of it. Watch Demonbane instead, it's not only watchable but the only 10/10 worthy eroge adaption.
given it's from the genius who have us Kamen Rider Gaim
Even ignoring that Gaim was a bad series Gen is nowhere near "genius" like Go Nagai, Mitsuo Fukada, Shoji Kawamori, Tadao Nagahama, or Masami Obari. If Shin Godzilla did not exist his trilogy would undeniably be the absolute worst thing to come out of the Godzilla franchise and he single handedly turned an entire genre into an edgelord fest for the entirety of a decade because some garbage he was involved in got the popular in the wheat err I mean west. I say this as someone that considers Future Diary to be one of the best anime ever made and considers Gargantia well made, he helped make the industry worse and did far more damage to it than a hundred Shinji Aobas ever could.
 
Fate/Zero was one of the best shows of the last decade. It managed to get right all the things that other Fate anime shows get wrong. I was really disappointed when I learned that director went to make trainwrecks like Aldnoah.Zero and Re:Creators. Being at Troyca was just waste of his talents.

It had atrocious animation, painfully slow pacing, no likeable characters, awful writing, a bland art style, and inconsistent run times with its episodes.
You're sure you're not confusing Fate/Zero with Fate/Apocrypha?

Gen is nowhere near "genius" like Go Nagai, Mitsuo Fukada, Shoji Kawamori, Tadao Nagahama, or Masami Obari.
Why are you throwing directors and writers together? Urobuchi doesn't direct shows.

I say this as someone that considers Future Diary to be one of the best anime ever made and considers Gargantia well made
You're calling out Urobuchi while giving Future Diary "writing" a pass? Gargantia also isn't exactly well-made. It was a very inconsistent show that could have benefited from having just 1-2 writers immensely, instead of 4-5 it did (which resulted in very rushed second half and a pathetic final battle among other things).
 

Captain Shark

An ocean of depression and misery
Fate/Zero was one of the best shows of the last decade.
Nope, it was the worst and in every possible way.
went to make trainwrecks like Aldnoah.Zero
You mean the same Aldnoah.Zero that lived up to its Gundam killer reputation (aside from Gundam Build Divers nothing Gundam related since 00 surpasses it), it was the second best anime of its year only after Nobunaga The Fool, and the only character to be killed off was a heterosexist? That was no trainwreck.
and Re:Creators.
It was bad, but trainwrecks are reserved for something like KanColle, Valvrave, Planet With, or Iron Blooded Orphans.
You're sure you're not confusing Fate/Zero with Fate/Apocrypha?
They're the same story aside from adding more characters and changing names, it too got a 1/10 but it's not as bad because it could keep the runtime of its episodes consistent and yes I do take runtime as a factor when judging something.
Why are you throwing directors and writers together?
Because they're the greats of anime? Should have included Kunio Okawara.
You're calling out Urobuchi while giving Future Diary "writing" a pass?
Why not? Somehow it actually works there and exceptionally well.
Gargantia also isn't exactly well-made.
Ignoring the music I have to disagree.
 

Dr Kain

Well-Known Member
It had atrocious animation, painfully slow pacing, no likeable characters, awful writing, a bland art style, and inconsistent run times with its episodes.
I don't think we watched the same show. It has some of the most beautiful animation in the last decade. It looked like it was handrawn rather than digital half the time. I'm not sure how the episode run times effect anything. That's like teh most superficial reason to dislike something. "OH no, how dare this episode be 27 minutes long instead of 24 minutes!"

The pacing was very slow in the first two episodes, but once things got moving, it was fine. It's called development. Not everything needs to move at a fast pace right away. Hell, Noir is one of the best anime series out there and that show doesn't kick off its plot until around episode 11. Not to mention we're on a Toku board, a place where many Toku series don't actually start until the last 4 episodes.

THere were plenty of likable characters. Gilgamesh, Aleksander, Irisviel, Waver, Kiritsugu, Diarmund, Ryunosuke, and Gilles du Rais.

If Shin Godzilla did not exist his trilogy would undeniably be the absolute worst thing to come out of the Godzilla franchise
1. I have no idea what Godzilla has to do with Urobutchy at all.
2. Shin was a fantastic movie.
3. The anime trilogy IS the worst thing ever for Godzilla. Shin isn't even the worst live action Godzilla movie. That still goes to Godzilla vs Space Godzilla. Shin is more like the 14th worst Godzilla movie.
 

Captain Shark

An ocean of depression and misery
It has some of the most beautiful animation in the last decade
You haven't seen Yamato 2199, Future Diary, Nobunaga The Fool, Unit Pandora, the Aquarion sequels, Your Name, Samurai Flamenco, Narrative Gundam, or Eureka Seven: Astral Ocean, I can tell by that one statement.
It looked like it was handrawn rather than digital half the time
This is a superficial reason to judge anything.
I'm not sure how the episode run times effect anything.
It indicates organization and planning, something that trashfire never even tried.
"OH no, how dare this episode be 27 minutes long instead of 24 minutes!"
And some episodes go on for over an hour for no reason other than "you know we could bother putting effort into trimming **** but that implies we put effort into our manure".
but once things got moving, it was fine.

THere were plenty of likable characters. Gilgamesh, Aleksander, Irisviel, Waver, Kiritsugu, Diarmund, Ryunosuke, and Gilles du Rais.
I wish I had your enthusiasm or normie glasses. And no, they really weren't.
1. I have no idea what Godzilla has to do with Urobutchy at all.
He made the Netflix Godzilla anime movies.
2. Shin was a fantastic movie.
It was worse than the Kiryu movies which is actually hard to pull off.
 

Shogun_Master

Why is every good TV show Cancelled
It indicates organization and planning, something that trashfire never even tried.

And some episodes go on for over an hour for no reason other than "you know we could bother putting effort into trimming **** but that implies we put effort into our manure".
Not that I understand what any of you are talking about (my one brother keeps wanting me to get into Anime, but I keep worrying someone will walk by at the wrong time, think I'm watching porn & have me kicked out of the library) but, runtime has very little to do with planning/organization.

You can plan what'll be in an episode, but that doesn't mean you can predict how long it'll be once you write it. The writers get together, plan an arc, people are assigned episodes, head writer edits/ gives notes/ sometimes requests a rewrite, or does it themselves & what you get is what you get.

I guess studios used to be stingier about runtime that they used to, forcing writers to lose a lot more content that they were rather proud of, or forcing them to resolve things in convoluted ways, but they're more inclined to let writers do what they do now, if it works for the show.
 
There plenty of reasons for extended runtimes ranging from what studio and producers mandate to good old artistic vision. I don't get why is this supposed to be an issue as long as show remains coherent.

normie glasses
Who knew finding characters likeable makes you a normie. The things you learn...
 

Captain Shark

An ocean of depression and misery
runtime has very little to do with planning/organization.
Except it does, you need to check what is necessary and what isn't to keep a decent flow episode to episode.
You can plan what'll be in an episode, but that doesn't mean you can predict how long it'll be once you write it.
That is the job of the producers and broadcaster. If things don't fit you throw it into the next episode or release a special.
There plenty of reasons for extended runtimes ranging from what studio and producers mandate to good old artistic vision.
Care to list those and provide citations?
I don't get why is this supposed to be an issue as long as show remains coherent.
That would imply Fate/Zero is coherent. We didn't need an unnecessary flashback episode of some side character or the adventures of loli Rin or Saber complaining she can't user her thumb or any scene with Rin's dad for that matter or two episodes long of Caster summoning Shub Niggurath (the Overlord season 3 version was better anyway) or Rider reading books. It had way too much fat that needed trimming.
Who knew finding characters likeable makes you a normie.
Falling into a hiveminded collective makes you a normie. I do not fall for normie mentalities like believing propaganda pieces from Anime News Network, I can see the forest in the trees and call the spade a spade.
 

Dr Kain

Well-Known Member
You haven't seen Yamato 2199, Future Diary, Nobunaga The Fool, Unit Pandora, the Aquarion sequels, Your Name, Samurai Flamenco, Narrative Gundam, or Eureka Seven: Astral Ocean, I can tell by that one statement.
I've seen Gundam NT, Future Diary, and Your Name. First off, two of those are movies, so that doesn't count. Every movie is going to look vastly superior to any TV series.

Yamato 2199 is the CGI one, right? Nope.

It indicates organization and planning, something that trashfire never even tried.
No, it indicates they didn't let a time limit compromise their story. Each episode was as long as it needed to be.

And some episodes go on for over an hour for no reason other than "you know we could bother putting effort into trimming **** but that implies we put effort into our manure".
No they don't. The longest episode is the first episode, which is 45 minutes.

I wish I had your enthusiasm or normie glasses. And no, they really weren't.
Then why did you watch the whole show if none of the characters grasped you?

He made the Netflix Godzilla anime movies.
Oh yeah, he did do that garbage, didn't he?

It was worse than the Kiryu movies which is actually hard to pull off.
Um, the Kiryu movies are the best Godzilla to come out after of the Showa era.

Next you're going to tell me that Godzilla vs Space Godzilla and Godzilla vs Mothra 92 are the best Godzilla movies ever made.

loli Rin or Saber complaining she can't user her thumb or any scene with Rin's dad
From my understanding, Rin is an important character in other series, so the episode that focused on Rin was there to develop her. I don't see what the issue is.

Also, Saber complaining about not being able to use her thumb was 10 seconds long. Are you high?

for that matter or two episodes long of Caster summoning Shub Niggurath (the Overlord season 3 version was better anyway) or Rider reading books. It had way too much fat that needed trimming.
Again, it's called character development. Watching Aleksander read books developed his character because it showed he wanted to learn the world he was no situated in. It's called respecting your environment.

Falling into a hiveminded collective makes you a normie. I do not fall for normie mentalities like believing propaganda pieces from Anime News Network, I can see the forest in the trees and call the spade a spade.
What does Anime News Network have to do with any of this?
 
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Every movie is going to look vastly superior to any TV series.
Not every apperently, as NT manages to look worse than F/Z and a lot of other modern anime shows.

Care to list those and provide citations?
Sentai changed runtime amount during Dynaman and Megaranger mid-series, for example. Sometimes timeslots change, sometime you have a set amount of episodes for Blu-Ray sells (something that Tomino complained about with G-Reco), sometimes studios follow your advice and trim too much (JC Stuff is guilty of this especially, producing hacked adaptations like Season 3 of both DaL and Index, that had fans complaining to no end), sometimes it's the opposite and studio has to fill the amount of episodes like it seemingly was the deal between Saban and Nick, reulting in splitting every Power Rangers series into two seasons without really changing the amount of episodes (so we get 20 eps per year instead of 30 or 40 like it used to be). Add to that all issues of adapting something and splitting it into two cours with a break in the middle.
As for artistic vision, credits overlap with episodes all the time (during first and last episodes it's especially common). Things like using opening as the first ending for the first episode or using special endings for different occasions also fall into this category. It shows people trying to be more creative with the format. One thing if the show used runtime to recap up to five min every episode like One Piece anime does (or used to do), that's just an excuse to stretch episode's length. But it's not really the case with F/Z.

Falling into a hiveminded collective makes you a normie. I do not fall for normie mentalities like believing propaganda pieces from Anime News Network, I can see the forest in the trees and call the spade a spade.
Don't worry about being a normie, at that rate you'll probably end up with a dedicated KiwiFarms thread.
 

Captain Shark

An ocean of depression and misery
Yamato 2199 is the CGI one, right? Nope.
I'm detecting a CGI hate boner from you.
it indicates they didn't let a time limit compromise their story.
That is a bad thing.
Each episode was as long as it needed to be.
No most of them were bloated as hell, no episode needed to be longer than 23 minutes.
Then why did you watch the whole show if none of the characters grasped you?
Another sign you're a normie, you actually drop anything. The instant you drop anything your opinion is null and void.
Um, the Kiryu movies are the best Godzilla to come out after of the Showa era.
Because ruining Mechagodzilla and having a smug cast thinking they can do anything is always a good thing- No wait.
Next you're going to tell me that Godzilla vs Space Godzilla and Godzilla vs Mothra 92 are the best Godzilla movies ever made.
Invasion of The Astro Monster, Tristar Zilla, and Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla 1993 are closer to that spot.
From my understanding, Rin is an important character in other series, so the episode that focused on Rin was there to develop her. I don't see what the issue is.
I was going to point out she isn't important in this one but if you haven't even seen other Fate manure series I'm questioning the validity of your claims.
Also, Saber complaining about not being able to use her thumb was 10 seconds long. Are you high?
It went on for multiple episodes.
Again, it's called character development.
Character development can qualify as padding, next you'll tell me every scene in the original Dragon Ball Z was the necessary.
It's called respecting your environment.
No it isn't.
What does Anime News Network have to do with any of this?
They're the propagandists along with people like Gigguk and Anime Man that determine tastes which you seem to easily fall for their memes.
Not every apperently, as NT manages to look worse than F/Z and a lot of other modern anime shows.
That is very weak trolling, NT Gundam does not look like such.
Sentai changed runtime amount during Dynaman and Megaranger mid-series, for example.
Because of broadcast mandate.
JC Stuff is guilty of this especially, producing hacked adaptations like Season 3 of both DaL and Index, that had fans complaining to no end
I don't know what this is even referencing.
Things like using opening as the first ending
AKA the worst trend to come out of this industry and thankfully more studios are realizing is a bad thing. You're really going to defend poor decisions like that?
It shows people trying to be more creative with the format.
That isn't inherently a good thing and when done wrong it must be called out.
 

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