2018-2019 Kamen Rider

Toku Prime

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Dr Kain

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The head writer of Ninninger and some s***ty ass movies... The producer of the second half of Kamen Rider Hibiki...

The Kamen Rider is the enemy of the world...

It's Decade 2.0 all over again.

Thank the gods it is only supposed to go until May-ish.
 

Toku Prime

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Yeah sorry all the new info was emerging just as I was going to bed and I couldn't be bothered to write them up there and then.

Zi-O's website (www.tv-asahi.co.jp/zi-o/) went live with a bunch of details on it. First up, Zi-O will make an appearance in Build's summer movie 'Be The One', which is released on August 4th. Then there will be a press conference that reveals Zi-O's cast on August 7th.

Ever since Gaim, the producer who has been in charge of the day-to-day running of production has been Motoi Sasaki. He's listed as "chief producer" but I've seen suggestions that it's more of a management role.

The big incoming name is Shinichiro Shirakura. He was a producer on eight of the first ten Heisei Rider series (he didn't work on Kuuga or Kiva). During that time he became infamous for his "my way or the highway" attitude. He also supposedly made some very dismissive comments about tokusatsu, essentially claiming that every show he hadn't worked on was "juvenile". Eventually he was promoted and ended up in a management role in charge of Toei's entire live action TV division, but came back to producing for Kamen Rider Amazons.

So the big question is whether Matoi and Shirakura will bang heads or not? Will one end up dominating?

The head writer is Kento Shimoyama, who's only previous head writer job in toku was Ninninger, so in the grand scheme of things he's still quite low on the totem pole and a lot of people suspect that his role is just to turn the producers' ideas into shootable scripts.

The head director is Ryuta Tasaki. He's a steady hand who was previously head director on Agito, Ryuki, Faiz, Den-O, Kiva, Decade, W, OOO, Gaim and Drive.

The background music will be composed by Toshihiko Sahashi, who previously worked on Kuuga, Agito, Hibiki and Den-O and more recently on Kyoryuger.

This is the series synopsis as translated by The Tokusatsu Network:

In the fall of 2018, a time machine appears before a hero born in the year 2000. The hero has always dreamed of becoming a king. A mysterious girl appears from the time machine, telling the hero “I come from the year 2068, a world without hope where the king of demons reigns supreme.” The girl has come from the future in a desperate effort to change her own time. The girl then gives the hero an ominous warning “You will become Kamen Rider Zi-O, King of Time, the demon destined to rule the world.” Can this really be the hero’s fate? This is the story of a Kamen Rider who would be king, who will fight to save the past, present, and future, encountering the various Heisei Kamen Riders throughout space-time.
So yeah, as many people have already commented, we have the return of a producer who worked on Den-O and Decade, and this synopsis sounds like Decade with time travel instead of dimension-hopping. Maybe it's already clear which producer will have the dominant vision?

The secondary Rider, Gates, was meant to come from 2068 so maybe Gates is the girl mentioned here? Though Shirakura is closely associated with 'the curse of the female Rider' so maybe don't get too attached if this proves to be the case.
Thank the gods it is only supposed to go until May-ish.
I've seen that going around quite a bit but I've never seen a source for it so other than "that's what Decade did" so I'm not sure why it's a thing?
 
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Dr Kain

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The rumor circling around is that they are planning to end this series with Akihiko's retirement and then having a 65 episode Kamen Rider series take place after as both a kick off to the new emperor's rule and some huge celebration of the franchise as a whole. Obviously we have no idea if that is true or not, but given that similar rumors were surrounding Decade being a shorter series and they ended up being true, I'm not doubting them. Plus, the reasoning behind this being a shorter series makes sense.
 

raden238

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Yep Zi-O is basically Toei's reboot of Decade. Hopefully they get it right this time. Few things to note, on the poster with all the Heisei Riders, I noticed Decade and Faiz have a bigger portion on the poster than the others. Could this potentially mean future crossover arcs? Faiz's upgrade shows up in wave 1 of the toys and the Decade Form comes in December as the 1st major form change. It makes sense with Decade, considering Zi-O is very similar to him and Faiz returning I'm all for it.
 

MagusKaizer

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I'm not sure about everyone else but I'll wait till After the eighth episode to pass judgment or spread doomsday sayings about the series
 

SamuraiEchidna

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I think time travel will be a very tricky way to handle an anniversary event. Decade could get away with character recasting because "it's an alternate reality, it's *suppose* to be different!". But for time travel, the further back you go, the harder it will be to get returning actors. Unless you just want the time travel aspect to be a glorified clip-show. That or maybe go off some kind of "the mere act of time travel changes things" logic.

I think it might work if they are only focusing on the Riders from Decade to Build. I think you'll have a higher chance of those actors returning for sure. If you want to go beyond that, you can do a few Heisei & Showa for the show, but save it for the movies. In the movies, you can have tons of suit actors and voice actors, and the audience can just pretend it's the original characters behind the suits.
 

ooo5

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I think time travel will be a very tricky way to handle an anniversary event. Decade could get away with character recasting because "it's an alternate reality, it's *suppose* to be different!". But for time travel, the further back you go, the harder it will be to get returning actors. Unless you just want the time travel aspect to be a glorified clip-show. That or maybe go off some kind of "the mere act of time travel changes things" logic.

I think it might work if they are only focusing on the Riders from Decade to Build. I think you'll have a higher chance of those actors returning for sure. If you want to go beyond that, you can do a few Heisei & Showa for the show, but save it for the movies. In the movies, you can have tons of suit actors and voice actors, and the audience can just pretend it's the original characters behind the suits.
A lot of the Heisei Riders returned for crossover movies, at least sporadically, but I think if they can't get the actual Riders back they might at least bring in a Second Rider or someone associated with the series.

Like, they probably can't get Joe Odagiri back, but maybe Ichijo's actor?
 

SamuraiEchidna

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Nor can the get the actors for Philip (W) and Drive back.

What happened to those actors? I think we'd be fine without Philip's actor as long as we can still get Shotaro's actor. As for Drive, I haven't seen anything about about Ryoma Takeuchi retiring or anything.
 
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Dr Kain

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What happened to those actors? I think we'd be fine without Philip's actor as long as we can still get Shotaro's actor. As for Drive, I haven't seen anything about about Ryoma Takeuchi retiring or anything.

From what I've been told, Philip's actor opened up his own acting agency that follows the modern world and allows actors to do what they want to do. As such, he is blacklisted from studios like Toei that follow the traditional rules.

As for Drive, I guess he had such a horrible experience when he did the show that he said he will never work with Toei again.
 

ooo5

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As for Drive, I guess he had such a horrible experience when he did the show that he said he will never work with Toei again.
I didn't know Takeuchi had such a bad experience with Drive.

Kinda makes me surprised he came back for the first Heisei Generations film (he probably couldn't get out of the Movie War).
 

Toku Prime

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I swear I've seen Zi-O's finger pose before on a few other Riders :p.
We're doomed.

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The rumor circling around is that they are planning to end this series with Akihiko's retirement and then having a 65 episode Kamen Rider series take place after as both a kick off to the new emperor's rule and some huge celebration of the franchise as a whole. Obviously we have no idea if that is true or not, but given that similar rumors were surrounding Decade being a shorter series and they ended up being true, I'm not doubting them. Plus, the reasoning behind this being a shorter series makes sense.
I can't imagine them resisting putting that in the marketing though. "Tune in to see the final Heisei Rider!" We haven't had anything like that.

I didn't get into toku until 2010 so I wasn't around for Decade rumours, but did they give the reason straight away back then? That was a fairly solid business reason, albeit a Bandai-lead one. I guess this would be a cultural reason but money talks with these shows and they usually only make changes if they sniff an opportunity for more money.

I dunno, I'm a little skeptical atm.
I'm not sure about everyone else but I'll wait till After the eighth episode to pass judgment or spread doomsday sayings about the series
Yeah I flip-flopped on it for ages in the first day after the staff news came out.

On the one hand, it's the guy behind the ****ing terrible second season of Amazons and the writer of Ninninger.

On the other, it's one of the producers of Den-O (which I enjoyed and was time travel based) and the writer behind GoRider (which handled returning characters really well).

So I think it's definitely a case of "wait and see". And it always takes me five or six weeks to get into a new series anyway.
A lot of the Heisei Riders returned for crossover movies, at least sporadically, but I think if they can't get the actual Riders back they might at least bring in a Second Rider or someone associated with the series.

Like, they probably can't get Joe Odagiri back, but maybe Ichijo's actor?
Well this is the producer of Decade, so it may be the alternate Yuususke that returns. ;)

Riders from more recent series would seem to be easier to get as they've progressed less in their careers. Then again, this is the producer who publicly declared that he thought Rider hadn't been interesting for years in the press conference for Amazons.
I didn't know Takeuchi had such a bad experience with Drive.

Kinda makes me surprised he came back for the first Heisei Generations film (he probably couldn't get out of the Movie War).
Yeah I hadn't heard about that either and my first thought was "well why did he come back for Heisei Gen?" As for Phillip's actor, he did a photo shoot for the Double manga and I doubt Toei would have allowed that if they really wanted him completely cut off from the product.

Sometimes these things fade over time. I vaguely recall hearing that Hibiki's actor was also on Toei's ****-list at one point, but he's recorded audio for the Rider video games more recently.
 

ooo5

Member
Well this is the producer of Decade, so it may be the alternate Yuususke that returns. ;)
I mean, I definitely thought of Decade's Yuusuke if they wanted Zi-O to meet an actual Kuuga, and Ryouta Murai would probably be up for a return (looking at Wikipedia, it doesn't seem like he's been in anything major in a few years).

Although if Zi-O is time-travelling to meet the other Riders, I would think he'd time-travel to the time of the actual Kuuga. But who knows how they're going to handle this stuff.
Riders from more recent series would seem to be easier to get as they've progressed less in their careers. Then again, this is the producer who publicly declared that he thought Rider hadn't been interesting for years in the press conference for Amazons.
Sounds like the perfect choice to produce an anniversary season :rolleyes:.
 
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Dr Kain

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Wait, I thought Amazons Season 2 was supposed to be a vast improvement over season 1?
 

Toku Prime

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Wait, I thought Amazons Season 2 was supposed to be a vast improvement over season 1?
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OK, perhaps I should clarify my reaction a little. The fights, effects, suits etc are of the same quality as the first season. But the ongoing story and characters from the first season are relegated to B or C plots in the second season. Instead they bring in a load of new characters and start a new story with them. Without turning this into a paragraph-long rant, I didn't find any of the new characters likeable and found the new main story somewhere between tiresome and laughable. YMMV.
 

NeonZ

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(Posting again after a long time! I stopped coming here since I got tons of virus warnings for a while).

The problem with Amazon s2 is that clearly the "new characters" and "new story" were just there to look worse than the season 1 ones, to the point that by the end the season 1 cast has taken over again. It's not the first time I've seen a series attempting to do that, and it's always a bad idea. Subverting expectations just to subvert is a mistake and doesn't make for an entertaining story.
 

Toku Prime

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Oh yeah that went on for a few months. I think when they got Pop Geeks to start hosting the forum they set up a redirector from henshinjustice to the new forum location and that registered as trying to do something sneaky.

tbh I just never liked Chihiro (Amazon Neo). He's a child who constantly whines that life's not fair because the world hasn't handed him a girlfriend on a plate. There's enough people like that on social media.
 

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